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BIll Maher Unleashes Against Militarized Police

articiansays...

Hate it when he smugly laughs at his own jokes, but can't upvote this enough. Police have been acting like each and every one of their lives is on the line at every second of every day, and everyone else is a threat, for far, far too long.

LiquidDriftsays...

Right wingers have been warning about this for years. You just didn't notice because they've also been warning about a president from Kenya, 9/11 being a CIA operation with holographic planes, government controlled snow storms, Boston bombing being an FBI operation, etc, etc, etc.

ChaosEnginesays...

eh? I would have thought that the militarisation of police actually comes from the right, or are you specifically talking about libertarians?

Can you provide an example of right wing people warning about this?

LiquidDriftsaid:

Right wingers have been warning about this for years. You just didn't notice because they've also been warning about a president from Kenya, 9/11 being a CIA operation with holographic planes, government controlled snow storms, Boston bombing being an FBI operation, etc, etc, etc.

LiquidDriftsays...

If you really want to go down that rabbit hole, just google "Alex Jones" "black helicopters". Jones has been warning about the militarization of police and the national guard doing policing for at least a decade. He spews all kinds of other paranoid crap though, so it's hard to take him seriously.

I consider most libertarians to be right wingers, so your definition may be more granular than mine.

ChaosEnginesaid:

eh? I would have thought that the militarisation of police actually comes from the right, or are you specifically talking about libertarians?

Can you provide an example of right wing people warning about this?

ChaosEnginesays...

Ahhh, Alex Jones might be right wing, but what primarily, he's just fucking nuts.

Libertarians are right wing, sure, but not all right wing people are libertarian. I would argue that your average right wing type (i.e. the typical republican) is actually more authoritarian than libertarian.

LiquidDriftsaid:

If you really want to go down that rabbit hole, just google "Alex Jones" "black helicopters". Jones has been warning about the militarization of police and the national guard doing policing for at least a decade. He spews all kinds of other paranoid crap though, so it's hard to take him seriously.

I consider most libertarians to be right wingers, so your definition may be more granular than mine.

LiquidDriftsays...

I completely agree with everything you just said

ChaosEnginesaid:

Ahhh, Alex Jones might be right wing, but what primarily, he's just fucking nuts.

Libertarians are right wing, sure, but not all right wing people are libertarian. I would argue that your average right wing type (i.e. the typical republican) is actually more authoritarian than libertarian.

scheherazadesays...

Although, the last time he 'called it like it is', without waiting for horde's emotions to cool off and senses to return, he lost his show.

-scheherazade

tsarsfieldsaid:

Too bad he didn't have the guts to say this after the Boston Bombing.

He always seems way too amused with himself and way too late on the liberty train.

VoodooVsays...

You had a somewhat decent argument @LiquidDrift ...until you said the words "Alex Jones"

It's pretty easy to cherry pick instances of cops behaving badly and ignore instances of cops doing good. This sift alone has a wide variety of videos of both types of cops. So you (not implying you personally) have a rather large burden of proof to meet to make a valid claim of "fascist police state" you need to prove calculated intent. Until then, you've just got a significant number of individual cases of people who are simply unable to use the power they are given wisely and ignore the responsibility they have. Something all of us humans have been guilty of at some point in our lives.

The internet is a great tool for communication to bring stuff like this to light, but it also breeds a massive amount of armchair quarterbacking.

Without a doubt, I would agree that the police are in need of some fundamental reforms to address these issues, which is a far more rational argument than the delusions of Alex Jones

TheFreaksays...

With respect, I believe the point of this video is to point out "calculated intent".

When the individuals who are unable to use the power they are give wisely are positioned high enough up the command chain, you have an institutionalized problem. Evidence of this is given in the video: small town police forces with tanks, uncontrolled use of high impact tactics in low threat situations, the ubiquitous "temporary desk duty" punishment for criminal acts...

All too often we select the lowest common denominator, for interpersonal skills and self awareness, to place in these positions of power. Now they're stoking their own Liam Neesons fantasies by equipping themselves with military hardware. Against what threat?

Not all cops are bad. But given the opportunity to flourish, the bad elements will grow until the good actors are minimized or pushed out. If this escalation continues, it can't end well.

VoodooVsaid:

It's pretty easy to cherry pick instances of cops behaving badly and ignore instances of cops doing good. This sift alone has a wide variety of videos of both types of cops. So you (not implying you personally) have a rather large burden of proof to meet to make a valid claim of "fascist police state" you need to prove calculated intent. Until then, you've just got a significant number of individual cases of people who are simply unable to use the power they are given wisely and ignore the responsibility they have. Something all of us humans have been guilty of at some point in our lives.

The internet is a great tool for communication to bring stuff like this to light, but it also breeds a massive amount of armchair quarterbacking.

chingalerasays...

What's coming inevitably will be as it's always been in the 'century-of-self ': The machine keeps peeps distracted by disinformation, issues to rally-behind, toys to play with and continual mind-fucking through Bernay's-style cradle-to-grave programming then....Suddenly, like three skyscrapers dropping into their footprints on International Shit-Box Tonight with Sham Cocksworth, yet another, 'create-the-crisis-provide-the-solution' scenario will further strengthen the resolve of the assholes who want ultimately to have the world to themselves and the bulk of humanity as dutiful robot-putty-slaves.

Technology, technique, fear, and an empty promise of safety and security (please, think of the children again, break to commercial) will shape the next worldwide crisis and urgency of action...and again, watch rights and individual responsibility deteriorate into a controlled chaos.

Fake alien invasion? Orchestrated and choreographed conflicts? Some scary flesh-eating disease? Most-likely the next planetary theatrical concoction will be some superfecta once again where fascism continues to reign supreme and the entire globe continues along the path of planetary lock-down.

Oh, and pusillanimous shit-heals with Cheeto-stained fingertips will between anime-clips and chicken-choking to porn, (who think they know how police fraternities work), will continue to pop-spit from the illusory comfort of their soiled computer chairs....

'Right...'Left' ?? Again, for the ChaosEngines of the world...a concocted and programmed, fucking illusion.

VoodooVsays...

Do you have proof that every one of these instances of cops behaving badly were because of orders from high up in the chain of command? Because you know, that would be rather big.

That's what I mean by calculated intent. You have to prove all of this is by design, which has clearly never been demonstrated.

This video...and all the others are anecdotal. The Alex Jones nutbags of the world would have you believe that there is someone, or a cabal of people who are fiendishly steepling their fingers and cackling maniacally at the diabolicalness of their master plan. That's nice and all, but you need proof.

Until then, it's far far far more rational to believe that every single one of these situations can be traced back to very human things like poor training, poor judgement, fragile egos, over worked, underpaid. and actual complex psychological issues all of which are part of the human condition.

Sure, these things need to be addressed, but it's complex and not simple to implement. If it were, they'd have done it by now.

The pundits (aka the armchair quarterbacks) don't like complex issues, they like to try to reduce everything to sound bites. It's far easier to sell the "ZOMG FASCIST STATE THEY:RE OUT TO GET YOU" message than something that actually requires critical thought and tough questions to answer. It's easier to just lazily point the finger at a scapegoat.

TheFreaksaid:

With respect, I believe the point of this video is to point out "calculated intent".

When the individuals who are unable to use the power they are give wisely are positioned high enough up the command chain, you have an institutionalized problem. Evidence of this is given in the video: small town police forces with tanks, uncontrolled use of high impact tactics in low threat situations, the ubiquitous "temporary desk duty" punishment for criminal acts...

All too often we select the lowest common denominator, for interpersonal skills and self awareness, to place in these positions of power. Now they're stoking their own Liam Neesons fantasies by equipping themselves with military hardware. Against what threat?

Not all cops are bad. But given the opportunity to flourish, the bad elements will grow until the good actors are minimized or pushed out. If this escalation continues, it can't end well.

VoodooVsays...


chingalerasaid:

What's coming inevitably will be as it's always been in the 'century-of-self ': The machine keeps peeps distracted by disinformation, issues to rally-behind, toys to play with and continual mind-fucking through Bernay's-style cradle-to-grave programming then....Suddenly, like three skyscrapers dropping into their footprints on International Shit-Box Tonight with Sham Cocksworth, yet another, 'create-the-crisis-provide-the-solution' scenario will further strengthen the resolve of the assholes who want ultimately to have the world to themselves and the bulk of humanity as dutiful robot-putty-slaves.

Technology, technique, fear, and an empty promise of safety and security (please, think of the children again, break to commercial) will shape the next worldwide crisis and urgency of action...and again, watch rights and individual responsibility deteriorate into a controlled chaos.

Fake alien invasion? Orchestrated and choreographed conflicts? Some scary flesh-eating disease? Most-likely the next planetary theatrical concoction will be some superfecta once again where fascism continues to reign supreme and the entire globe continues along the path of planetary lock-down.

Oh, and pusillanimous shit-heals with Cheeto-stained fingertips will between anime-clips and chicken-choking to porn, (who think they know how police fraternities work), will continue to pop-spit from the illusory comfort of their soiled computer chairs....

'Right...'Left' ?? Again, for the ChaosEngines of the world...a concocted and programmed, fucking illusion.

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