Separation of church and state.

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It's funny that the other guy gets assaulted AS soon as the camera becomes known of. Great display of etatism-pie (or statism for @blankfist) with a crust of theocracy and a wonderful whipped topping of fear. Mmmmmm...

Even though the tax-payers get hit with the bill, I hope they sue the crap out of them. Drawing blood is a great way to start. (Unless the citizenry is like the prayer defense tacklers.)

Police! What the fuck??! Since when was that a precursor to "I'm a fascist! Do as I say! Fuck your rights!"

Seriously, most law enforcement at least know what law they are upholding....

Good on the judge.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/12/the_violence_isnt_at_all_surpr.php

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I hope they go after those people who thought they had the authority to seize someone else's camera by force. What a bunch of filthy f%^king animals!

(Updated the video details to fix the Hawaii News Now link.)

In the article it mentions that Kahle managed to stop the council from saying prayer at the start of proceedings, but under the new council chair Nestor Garcia, prayers were resumed.

The fight isn't over in Honolulu yet...

Camera is the new gun. I love how the statist goons with guns move in to protect their "leaders" even when they're breaking the law themselves.

*fear

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WTF are they doing praying in that venue?

Keep that shit behind your cult's doors and funded by those that actually agree with it.

AMEN? GTFO of here.

There is so much of this that is incredibly depressing, on so many levels, from so many perspectives.

Wow, this is unreal... I can't believe they assaulted the man with the camera. I hope those fuckers go to jail.

Most of the religious don't really believe, but they're scared to admit it to themselves. That fear produces this result.

Wow that makes me angry.

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holy crap, this isn't even "get that camera out of my face" its "get him hes got a camera". Some of the "caught on video" stuff sometimes has the cameraman in a pestering position but this is totally one-sided

>> ^blankfist:

Camera is the new gun. I love how the statist goons with guns move in to protect their "leaders" even when they're breaking the law themselves.
fear

From Wikipedia:

The concept of separation of church and state refers to the distance in the relationship between organized religion and the nation state. The term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state," as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists Association in 1802. The original text reads: "...I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[1] The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. The phrase itself does not appear in the U.S. Constitution. The First Amendment to the Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

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>> ^honkeytonk73:

Separation of church clavicle and state sternum.

As far as I know, these invocations (aka prayers) are not always given by Christians but other faiths as well. Per Matthu's wikiquote, the phrase "separation of church and state" ain't in the Constitution.


"Today (separation) means the abolition of any kind of Christian expression within the public arena. In Washington's time, it meant the establishment of a national or state church funded by taxpayer dollars like the Anglican church in England, or the Lutheran church in Germany. This is why the first Amendment reads the way it does."

This incident certainly could have been handled better. Yet it's equally tiring having atheist poop-disturbers foisting their beliefs on the rest of us based on hazy quarter-truths about the Constitution.

/former Atheist
/non-Christian

As far as I know, these invocations (aka prayers) are not always given by Christians but other faiths as well.

So? They are fair game as well.

Per Matthu's wikiquote, the phrase "separation of church and state" ain't in the Constitution.

As if it needed to be in there to understand the historically intended meaning via the writings, private and public, of the founding fathers concerning this specific amendment, its purpose, and the implications of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

"Seperation of church and state" was from Jefferson's own writings, in a letter attempting to further explain the establishment clause of the First Amendment to the Baptists of Connecticut. Edit: D'oh! Should have read all the comments before commenting, Matthu was already there.

>> ^quantumushroom:

As far as I know, these invocations (aka prayers) are not always given by Christians but other faiths as well. Per Matthu's wikiquote, the phrase "separation of church and state" ain't in the Constitution.

"Today (separation) means the abolition of any kind of Christian expression within the public arena. In Washington's time, it meant the establishment of a national or state church funded by taxpayer dollars like the Anglican church in England, or the Lutheran church in Germany. This is why the first Amendment reads the way it does."
This incident certainly could have been handled better. Yet it's equally tiring having atheist poop-disturbers foisting their beliefs on the rest of us based on hazy quarter-truths about the Constitution.
/former Atheist
/non-Christian


Yeah, it's much better to have Christian beliefs based on a book written by man, not God, backed by absolutely NO FACTS constantly forced down everyone's throat at every given opportunity.

@AnimalsForCrackers

Wait so the separation letter came after the first amendment? The separation letter is specifically meant to explain? Wtf are we arguing about? Damn sophists...

>> ^Matthu:

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Wait so the separation letter came after the first amendment? The separation letter is specifically meant to explain? Wtf are we arguing about? Damn sophists...


Err, wait, was the letter not written afterward with "seperation of church and state" subsequently becoming a retroactive shorthand for referring to the establishment clause, even though those exact words weren't actually in there? That was my limited understanding.

I'm confused now. And the quote function is acting weird.

"RELATED: Capitol protestor found not guilty"

Well that's great, but I'm more interesting in finding out what happened to the ones to assaulted him. (Probably nothing.)

>> ^quantumushroom:

In Washington's time, it meant the establishment of a national or state church funded by taxpayer dollars like the Anglican church in England, or the Lutheran church in Germany.


Dude... where the hell do you get this shit? As far as I can tell, this one isn't directly copied and pasted from Ann Coulter's website. You must be hittin' the juice pretty hard.

Protester suing state and senate staff.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13592048

At first I was a little sympathetic because they have the authority to throw people out of the building if they're being too disruptive. But assaulting the cameraman and piling on the other guy was fucking thuggery of the highest order. Those officials should all be in jail.

Trying to take away the camera is tantamount to an admission of their moral bankruptcy and unworthiness to serve the public in any capacity.

Any law that restricts how journalists can film police officers etc. on duty is fascist and unconstitutional. And with the internet, everyone is a journalist.

And personally I don't believe Jefferson envisioned the government using tax money to pay preachers to come and lead prayers before every official government function when he wrote "wall of separation between church and state". If an individual senator wanted to pray during his allotted time to speak, that's different, and OK.

>> ^Ryjkyj:

Protester suing state and senate staff.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=13592048


Hell yeah, sue them dry! Money's the only thing that these idiots understand.

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