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dannym3141says...Does american police training consist of 3 months of reading judge dredd comics? It's been a while since i've seen police academy, so i've forgotten what their training is really like.
You need to stop people in your custody from trying to hurt you or others, but you have a duty of care to the person you have restrained whether you like that person or not. This isn't judge dredd, and the first person to apprehend someone doesn't get to decide who deserves what punishment.
newtboysays...But that's just a single instance of officer abuse. You can't start blaming all officers for the single bad act of only one officer.....
Oh wait. That's right, it's just a single instance, that's caught on camera about 10 times a day then lied about, and often they show only one officer acting badly, but never any of the other multitude of officers stopping them, or even reporting them. I guess I can start to consider them all the same.
lucky760says...To be fair, she kicked him and he slapped her (then attempted and failed to return the kick).
That doesn't mean he's justified in his actions, just that this is being billed as something other than what it is: a stupid person physically provoking a beast of a man who's unable to maintain his cool (which describes many cops nowadays).
newtboysays...To be fair, I looked closely. That totally looked like a closed fist to me, and a full force punch to the face, not a slap....followed by a forceful kick that missed.
Also, yes she kicked AT him, but did not appear to connect. I get she's idiotic to provoke the easily provoked thugs in blue. She obviously hasn't been paying attention to how they (over)react lately, and really she got off easy compared to many.
A month of paid vacation does not seem to be a reasonable 'punishment' for not only the battery, but also the falsifying a police report....unless it's at club fed.
To be fair, she kicked him and he slapped her (then attempted and failed to return the kick).
That doesn't mean he's justified in his actions, just that this is being billed as something other than what it is: a stupid person physically provoking a beast of a man who's unable to maintain his cool (which describes many cops nowadays).
lucky760says...At the arc of his wind-up right before he swings down that his fingers are extended up and out. Definitely a slap.
Still, my only point was is the marketing of this video as if a helpless woman is being savagely assaulted.
She kicked him and he slapped her.
Again, not a justified action by the cop, but also not a gang of violent, blood-thirsty cops pounding the shit out of a poor little innocent woman (which is more what I was expecting coming in here).
A title more to my liking would be along the lines of "Cop Overreacts to Minor Assault from Handcuffed Suspect." or "Hey, Stupid. Don't Kick Cops."
To be fair, I looked closely. That totally looked like a closed fist to me, and a full force punch to the face, not a slap....followed by a forceful kick that missed.
Also, yes she kicked AT him, but did not appear to connect. I get she's idiotic to provoke the easily provoked thugs in blue. She obviously hasn't been paying attention to how they (over)react lately, and really she got off easy compared to many.
A month of paid vacation does not seem to be a reasonable 'punishment' for not only the battery, but also the falsifying a police report....unless it's at club fed.
lucky760says..."Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns."
newtboysays...I don't see what you see, but the video is terrible. I see what looks to me like a balled fist right before, and right after contact. I guess we should agree to disagree about that.
Either way, he definitely put his full power into the face hit, stepping back and winding up, and putting his body weight behind it. I think she would likely have gone down had the other officer not held her up and pulled her away. The same goes for his kick, there was certainly power behind it, unlike hers.
I do agree, this was not a brutal beating, fist or slap, but it was completely inappropriate.
I still say it looks like she missed with her kick, but it's not important, her kick had no power behind it. His punch/slap had plenty of power, as did his kick to her ribs (which looking again did seem to connect).
She is a 'helpless' woman who stupidly attacked the cop while she was 'controlled', and she got hit and kicked hard. I'm not sure why you think it's marketed as her being 'savagely assaulted' (although to some people this could fit that description), maybe it's just because that's becoming the norm and is what we expect when an officer loses his cool and hits and kicks someone in handcuffs.
As far as I'm concerned, it's the falsifying a police report by not mentioning this that's the big issue. The inappropriate contact is probably a misdemeanor, but not reporting it should be a felony. Also, getting a months paid vacation for doing things inappropriately seems terrible.
At the arc of his wind-up right before he swings down that his fingers are extended up and out. Definitely a slap.
Still, my only point was is the marketing of this video as if a helpless woman is being savagely assaulted.
She kicked him and he slapped her.
Again, not a justified action by the cop, but also not a gang of violent, blood-thirsty cops pounding the shit out of a poor little innocent woman (which is more what I was expecting coming in here).
A title more to my liking would be along the lines of "Cop Overreacts to Minor Assault from Handcuffed Suspect." or "Hey, Stupid. Don't Kick Cops."
HugeJerksays...The CNN story on this says the video is from 2 years ago, but only coming out now... and that the arrest made the news before, because the officer beat up another citizen during it.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/05/06/pkg-florida-police-officer-punches-kicks-handcuffed-woman.wplg
Mordhaussays...It was definitely a punch and kick to the ribs of an inebriated woman who was restrained in handcuffs. She did attempt to kick him, but the return force used was wildly inappropriate. This officer also beat up an older man half his size on a traffic stop, causing multiple lacerations to his scalp. If you watch the related cnn video, you can see he is basically a juiced up thug who gets his jollies on beating people and taking buddy photos with them.
It's just becoming apparent, to me at least, that for every good officer we have it seems like we have 9 bad ones. A horrible ratio, to be sure.
Fairbssays...Here's her face...
http://images.dailykos.com/images/141799/large/Screen-Shot-2015-05-05-at-2.10.27-PM-800x430.png?1430857767
I was leaning towards slapped, but I'm thinking punched now.
Asmosays...Open or closed hand, there is no excuse for that...
1. Proportionate and appropriate use of force. She is barely a threat out of cuffs. In cuffs, she's effectively helpless. Restrain her and add attempted assault to her charges.
2. Didn't report the incident, a sure sign that someone knows what they did was wrong... If everything was kosher and he was reacting appropriately, he would have reported the incident, right?
lantern53says...one good cop to 9 bad ones?
that's not only backwards it's way off but I can understand how things look, since only the bad behavior is ever featured.
You won't turn on your tv and see the bleached blonde bimbo say 'Officers today helped such and such and so and so and took this many reports, and helped deliver so many babies and held so many arteries from bleeding out and found so many bikes lost by kids or prevented so many crimes from occurring'.
No, you won't hear that.
Did see this though:
http://www.fox19.com/story/29001254/police-risk-their-own-safety-to-rescue-3-from-fire
Fairbssays...It sounds like you think that it is 9 good cops for each bad cop. 10% bad cops is not acceptable to me. I think I could live with 1%.
And yes, cops do lots of amazing and helpful work and should also get credit for that.
one good cop to 9 bad ones?
that's not only backwards it's way off but I can understand how things look, since only the bad behavior is ever featured.
newtboysays...I would say even 1% is WAY too many if the remaining 99% are going to look the other way.
For it to be only 1%, you have to consider those by-standing cops that let their 'brothers' be violent criminals as "good cops". I can't go that far, meaning it's more like >99% bad in my eyes.
Cops should get 'credit' for doing good things that are above and beyond what they are paid for, but not applauded for simply doing their job. That's a horrendous position we're in where people can honestly say that a person doing what they signed up and are paid for requires a parade or kudos...I'll give them only when they give the pay checks back.
It sounds like you think that it is 9 good cops for each bad cop. 10% bad cops is not acceptable to me. I think I could live with 1%.
And yes, cops do lots of amazing and helpful work and should also get credit for that.
poolcleanersays...American cop thugs read Judge Dredd, American citizen thugs read Punisher. Why can't we all just read some Black Panther and get along?
Does american police training consist of 3 months of reading judge dredd comics? It's been a while since i've seen police academy, so i've forgotten what their training is really like.
lantern53says...Never read a Dredd.
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Fairbssays...I would include looking the other way as a trait of bad cops, but I still don't believe the numbers are that high. I do see your point though.
It's interesting that the riots in Detroit back in the 60's are very similar to what happened in Ferguson and Baltimore. Blacks sick of getting killed by bad cops and finally having enough of it. 40 years later same shit.
I would say even 1% is WAY too many if the remaining 99% are going to look the other way.
For it to be only 1%, you have to consider those by-standing cops that let their 'brothers' be violent criminals as "good cops". I can't go that far, meaning it's more like >99% bad in my eyes.
Cops should get 'credit' for doing good things that are above and beyond what they are paid for, but not applauded for simply doing their job. That's a horrendous position we're in where people can honestly say that a person doing what they signed up and are paid for requires a parade or kudos...I'll give them only when they give the pay checks back.
newtboysays...I actually think the numbers may be higher if by-standing counts as 'bad cop behavior'.
Time and time again we've seen 'bad cop videos' with often dozens of cops acting badly in one instance. What we've NEVER seen is a 'good cop' stepping in and stopping the bad ones from going overboard and becoming violent thugs. Because I've seen well over 100 cops in these videos either being violent or by-standing while their 'brothers' get violent, but have never seen this mythical 'good cop' stopping them, it MUST be >99% 'bad', at least >99% of those caught on camera, right?
I would include looking the other way as a trait of bad cops, but I still don't believe the numbers are that high. I do see your point though.
It's interesting that the riots in Detroit back in the 60's are very similar to what happened in Ferguson and Baltimore. Blacks sick of getting killed by bad cops and finally having enough of it. 40 years later same shit.
Fairbssays...Seemingly. I'm not sure how the back office cop processes work. Maybe the bad cop writes 'we subdued the suspect' and the good cop signs off on it maybe after a token 'that was fucked up what you did back there' and then tries to get reassigned away from the bad cop. Most of these cops are getting away with this stuff because legally they're given more rights and more leeway with their use of force. We see it as bad, but to the technical aspects it's still legal.
I actually think the numbers may be higher if by-standing counts as 'bad cop behavior'.
Time and time again we've seen 'bad cop videos' with often dozens of cops acting badly in one instance. What we've NEVER seen is a 'good cop' stepping in and stopping the bad ones from going overboard and becoming violent thugs. Because I've seen well over 100 cops in these videos either being violent or by-standing while their 'brothers' get violent, but have never seen this mythical 'good cop' stopping them, it MUST be >99% 'bad', at least >99% of those caught on camera, right?
newtboysays...From precursory investigation, even doing just that minimal, self preservation step of trying to distance themselves from the violent thug can lead to harassment, lack of advancement, and threats. That's why even that tiny, unhelpful 'good' act rarely happens, and the helpful act of stopping the criminal acts of other cops NEVER happens, even reporting those acts almost never happens.
Many of the cops get away with these crimes because they are backed up by the by-stander cops when it counts...during the act itself, in the initial report, and often later in court if it goes that far. They hide each other's actions because they know they are NOT legal, but they also know they won't suffer consequence even if caught red handed lying about violence...until recently in just a few highly visible cases, and even then only the violent actor has consequence, not the liars that backed them up and hindered prosecution.
In this case, where they always admitted kicking him in the face AS HE COMPLIED without resisting, the first grand jury did not indict and the officer and his lawyer came out publicly saying 'he's a known violent thug, so it's right to kick his face'. Only now, in the climate of lack of general trust in cops, could they even get a trial...a conviction is still in question.
Seemingly. I'm not sure how the back office cop processes work. Maybe the bad cop writes 'we subdued the suspect' and the good cop signs off on it maybe after a token 'that was fucked up what you did back there' and then tries to get reassigned away from the bad cop. Most of these cops are getting away with this stuff because legally they're given more rights and more leeway with their use of force. We see it as bad, but to the technical aspects it's still legal.
Paybackjokingly says...Better Dread than read.
Never read a Dredd.
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