Oh, that's excellent.

I bet that guy still doesn't get it, even after answering his own questions.

lol. just lol. just freaking lol. just, oh my. lol.

ROFL

laugh out loud funny...

Awesome.

Post crash photos, link from original post on Youtube. Nice shots of the actual damage sustained inside and out.
http://files.filefront.com/low+jpegrar/;10549947;/fileinfo.html

^ I think you commented on the wrong sift, dude.
Here ya go: http://www.videosift.com/video/Volvo-crash-amazing-in-car-camera-mount

Unicorns everywhere just had their feelings hurt.

Unicorns exist so God must exist!

LMAO!!

>> ^millertime1211:
Unicorns exist so God must exist!


Wow -- they named the fuckin' thing "Unicorn". How creative -- not Pegasus or anything cool like that -- Unicorn.

>> ^honkeytonk73:
I bet that guy still doesn't get it, even after answering his own questions.


the sign of a true christian...

That was great.

well the hosts don't realize the huge hole in their argument:
you can't really compare the two situations. his mother was not "on the brink of death, and then got better." she DIED. they took her off life support and she stopped breathing. then suddenly, BUT NOT IMMEDIATELY, she came back to life and no one knows why. i defy anyone to find a "perfectly healthy person" who dropped dead. people don't just die, they die because something was wrong with them or something happened to them. there is always a reason. the point of this man's story is that there is no medical reason that his mother came back. the doctors said she was going to die, and she did. then, out of the blue, she came back.

say whatever you want, i'm a perfectly happy and proud catholic.

>> ^White:
well the hosts don't realize the huge hole in their argument:
you can't really compare the two situations. his mother was not "on the brink of death, and then got better." she DIED. they took her off life support and she stopped breathing. then suddenly, BUT NOT IMMEDIATELY, she came back to life and no one knows why. i defy anyone to find a "perfectly healthy person" who dropped dead. people don't just die, they die because something was wrong with them or something happened to them. there is always a reason. the point of this man's story is that there is no medical reason that his mother came back. the doctors said she was going to die, and she did. then, out of the blue, she came back.


People do occasionally resuscitate on their own, although it is extremely rare. The most recent famous one was the brain dead woman who woke up after being taken off life support: http://www.startribune.com/local/15545747.html?location_refer=Error

There is, currently, no medical explanation for such events. Regardless, it's not a hole in the hosts' argument since not having an explanation for something does not automatically mean God exists. For most of humankind's history, people couldn't explain the apparent motion of the stars in the night sky, so they attributed it to God's work. We all know how that turned out, and I'm sure some day we'll have an explanation for people who self-resuscitate.

Let me break it down for you, how that can happen without divine intervention:

change in life support -> stress -> adrenaline -> waking up for a bit

She still died, just not right away.

Not breathing for a minute != death. When someone is comatose they use less than half as much oxygen as someone who is awake, so they can survive longer without breathing. Death is the destruction of enough of the person's bodily apparatus that they can never regain consciousness, not just a failure to breathe or pump blood for a minute or two. Technological means can save people who aren't breathing or pumping blood, and there's a whole continuum of brain damage. So there's no fine line between life and death - dying is a gradual process in most cases (unless you get dropped directly into an incinerator)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/15/1089694478141.html?from=storylhs

If god had a single horn, flowing mane, and was named Charlie i'd TOTALLY believe in him.

Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie Charlie...

>> ^White:
say whatever you want, i'm a perfectly happy and proud catholic.


There are a lot of happy children who believe in Santa Claus, too. Doesn't bother me as long as they don't start teaching it in schools.

Their argument still stands, the healthy person dropping dead is just one example of a freak occurrence. And it happens: sudden heard attack, hemorrhage in the brain or ruptured arteries etc. one minute you are just fine, the next minute you drop dead.

The problem with this guy's (and possibly your) belief is that if the freak occurrence works his way, he sees it as a "gift from God" but if it affects him negatively or not at all, he'll just think its a freak occurrence. These things happen sometimes with very sick people, but the chances are of course very small, my guess is that doctors see these "miracles" every now and then, but they cant go around assuming things like that will happen, they know that there's a 99,9% chance that the dead person stays dead, so thats what they have to assume.


>> ^White:
well the hosts don't realize the huge hole in their argument:
you can't really compare the two situations. his mother was not "on the brink of death, and then got better." she DIED. they took her off life support and she stopped breathing. then suddenly, BUT NOT IMMEDIATELY, she came back to life and no one knows why. i defy anyone to find a "perfectly healthy person" who dropped dead. people don't just die, they die because something was wrong with them or something happened to them. there is always a reason. the point of this man's story is that there is no medical reason that his mother came back. the doctors said she was going to die, and she did. then, out of the blue, she came back.

Lies! Unicorns do exist!

"So, so, let me tell you this then...okay, God exists because mankind suffers from debilitating diseases for no good reason, right?"

"And why is that, caller?"

"Nobody knows."

"BEST CALLER EVER!"

Wait, how did he even do that?

>> ^Rugil:
^ I think you commented on the wrong sift, dude.
Here ya go: http://www.videosift.com/video/Volvo-crash-amazing-in-car-camera-mount

That was awesome!

>> ^White:
well the hosts don't realize the huge hole in their argument:
you can't really compare the two situations. his mother was not "on the brink of death, and then got better." she DIED. they took her off life support and she stopped breathing. then suddenly, BUT NOT IMMEDIATELY,

Is the "not immediately" part the huge hole you speak of? If so -> ????

she came back to life and no one knows why. i defy anyone to find a "perfectly healthy person" who dropped dead.

Jim Fixx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fixx

John Ritter

people don't just die, they die because something was wrong with them or something happened to them. there is always a reason.

I do believe I found the real hole.^^

the point of this man's story is that there is no medical reason that his mother came back. the doctors said she was going to die, and she did. then, out of the blue, she came back.

And that's only different because it's a GOOD turn of events. Good things that happen are because of god but someone like Jim Fixx dropping dead of a massive heart attack or John Ritter dropping dead is a BAD turn of events and therefore, "it just happens."

Yes, Jim Fixx and John Ritter, just like the mother, were obviously not "perfectly healthy." But the fact that you are not willing to see how all these situations are fundamentally the same is the real hole, White.

Don't you find it disturbing that there is the same amount of proof that god exists as fairies? Or unicorns? Or elves? Or zeus? Or shiva? Or thor? Or osiris? Or isis? Or the flying spaghetti monster? Or the celestial teapot? I can keep going...I've got a whole list here.

People should believe in as many true things and disbelieve in as many false things as possible.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'atheist experience, god, proof' to 'atheist experience, god, proof, unicorns, fairy tale, atheism, funny, religion' - edited by lucky760

>> ^White:
say whatever you want, i'm a perfectly happy and proud catholic.


I think that's great. Really, I do.

And if religion was willing to merely serve as a spiritual refuge, I and most of the atheists I know would be willing to close our mouths.

But that's not what's happening, is it?

The strong religious movement wants state-sanctioned prayer in public schools, they want to inject creationism (an unmeasurable, unprovable thing) in the school science curriculum (which is filled to the brim with measurable, provable things), and wage war in the name of jesus. Religion, by it's nature, wants more believers.

So we'll continue to say what we want so long as religion continues it's push.

Waiting for lucky to come marching in with his LMFAHS! parade

The "Atheists' Experience"? oh please.

Atheism shouldn't be an "experience" at all, but the absence of "Experiences" I thought. You live, you observe, you learn, you appreciate, you age, you die... the end.

A show?? ... for atheists? Guys like these are as annoying as right wing fundies. Why do they feel the need to evangelize? Cause that's what this looks like to me.

Here are some guys that feel the need to make atheism into some form of lifestyle that needs promotion.... a belief system. The way they are promoting this absence of belief that brings purpose and meaning in their lives....how is this different from what religion is doing for others? ... practically speaking here...

That they care so much to go to these lengths to debunk Christianity says there's some baggage in their pasts... bitter about something? Why the chip on the shoulder? Why showcase some poor fella that may not be bright, but is sincere? You aren't providing a service other than showcasing your over educated, over privileged and yes at times... arrogance.

Enjoy your lack of belief fellas. Celebrate that intellect of yours. BUT Let the other people have their beliefs while you use those big smart brains of yours on something more productive.

Guys, let it go. Go cure cancer, write music, invent the flux capacitor... just enjoy your life before its over.

I'm so gonna get flamed now aren't I?

Atheists get angry when atheism is categorized as a religion. Understandable. You do see why don't you?

IMO the reason is because so many atheists feel the need to organize and promote it as a belief system.

So much seeking of validation..needing it.... is NOT believing in anything enough? Why all this attention seeking behavior and needing to be 'right' about it?

Their behavior follows a similar pattern of those in organized religions.

>> ^swampgirl:
The "Atheists' Experience"? oh please.
Atheism shouldn't be an "experience" at all, but the absence of "Experiences" I thought. You live, you observe, you learn, you appreciate, you age, you die... the end.

We have all the same experiences as reverent people. We live, we observe, we feel awe, we love, we have children. We just don't attribute any of it to an entity in which we do not believe.

A show?? ... for atheists? Guys like these are as annoying as right wing fundies. Why do they feel the need to evangelize? Cause that's what this looks like to me.
Here are some guys that feel the need to make atheism into some form of lifestyle that needs promotion.... a belief system. The way they are promoting this absence of belief that brings purpose and meaning in their lives....how is this different from what religion is doing for others? ... practically speaking here...

You can call it a belief system if you like, but that's not what it is. Atheists do not believe in an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being. Period. Is this show different than religion prosthelatizing (sp)? Probably not.

That they care so much to go to these lengths to debunk Christianity says there's some baggage in their pasts

Atheists only feel the need to debunk Christianity when a Christian quotes the bible at us. And then it's pretty easy debunking because the bible is not well thought out (IMO). However, by-and-large, we don't go around shoving our views in your face. If you do not wish to hear such things, don't watch the show. For example, I've never seen the 700 Club. Not once.

bitter about something? Why the chip on the shoulder? Why showcase some poor fella that may not be bright, but is sincere?

They cannot control who calls in. And yes, the delight the hosts take in showing this guy up is a little over the top. That wouldn't necessarily be my style. But then, not all reverent people are exactly the same as each other.

You aren't providing a service other than showcasing your over educated, over privileged and yes at times... arrogance.

Well, I think they're providing a great service and will likely continue to do so. They're currently on their 550th show, or there-abouts? Not a bad run.

Enjoy your lack of belief fellas. Celebrate that intellect of yours. BUT Let the other people have their beliefs while you use those big smart brains of yours on something more productive.

I'd be glad to close my mouth forever so long as my country (USA) does not go too far: sanctioning prayer in school, creationism in science, and...oh yeah...war in the name of god. Stopping such activity is fairly important to us.

Guys, let it go. Go cure cancer, write music, invent the flux capacitor... just enjoy your life before its over.

We will.

I'm so gonna get flamed now aren't I?

I don't flame. I'm too old for that shit. But overall, I feel I'm being pretty civil.

Atheists get angry when atheism is categorized as a religion. Understandable. You do see why don't you?

Yes, which is why we don't see it as a religion.

IMO the reason is because so many atheists feel the need to organize and promote it as a belief system.

No, we don't.

So much seeking of validation..needing it.... is NOT believing in anything enough?

Don't confuse atheism with nihilism. The reverent's favorite claim is that "atheists believe in nothing." Uhh, no. We believe in all the things you believe in: just not god. We do not feel we need religion to be moral people.

What a sad world it would be if the ONLY reason people didn't go around killing each other and stealing is out of a fear of god. We're already good. We don't need a book for that.

Why all this attention seeking behavior and needing to be 'right' about it?

That's a good question. Probably because we feel threatened. See above for the thing about prayer, creationism in science, and holy wars.

Their behavior follows a similar pattern of those in organized religions.

I'll agree with you there. It is similar. We're OK with that.

^ ^ Well said. Thanks for keeping it civil.

agreed

>> ^swampgirl:
The "Atheists' Experience"? oh please.
Atheism shouldn't be an "experience" at all, but the absence of "Experiences" I thought. You live, you observe, you learn, you appreciate, you age, you die... the end.
A show?? ... for atheists? Guys like these are as annoying as right wing fundies. Why do they feel the need to evangelize? Cause that's what this looks like to me.
Here are some guys that feel the need to make atheism into some form of lifestyle that needs promotion.... a belief system. The way they are promoting this absence of belief that brings purpose and meaning in their lives....how is this different from what religion is doing for others? ... practically speaking here...
That they care so much to go to these lengths to debunk Christianity says there's some baggage in their pasts... bitter about something? Why the chip on the shoulder? Why showcase some poor fella that may not be bright, but is sincere? You aren't providing a service other than showcasing your over educated, over privileged and yes at times... arrogance.
Enjoy your lack of belief fellas. Celebrate that intellect of yours. BUT Let the other people have their beliefs while you use those big smart brains of yours on something more productive.
Guys, let it go. Go cure cancer, write music, invent the flux capacitor... just enjoy your life before its over.
I'm so gonna get flamed now aren't I?


The problem is that religious people prevent us from curing cancer because religious bullshit blocks legislation that would allow scientific advancement. Activists constantly call for law changes that are incompatible with the Constitution. I could go on and on, but the basic premise is that I would leave them alone if they weren't always trying to force everyone to adhere to their beliefs.

Seriously, you would never hear a thing from atheists if we weren't constantly under attack from religious nuts who want to force their beliefs on everybody else!

Just look at the tv show in this video. If nobody ever called them, the tv show would be done! Nothing left to talk about. But it's still going because wackos keep calling and trying to convince them to believe in things that are completely unfounded.

A perfect world for us would be one where nobody ever talked about unprovable things as if they were 100% completely true. We would all be free to use our minds to pursue more useful endeavors.

Shuac and nibiyabi made all my points, sorry i cant upvote your points several times or quality your posts. Thanks

And Swampgirl, Your posts are always thoughtful and contributing, but I want to answer this one part:

So much seeking of validation..needing it.... is NOT believing in anything enough?

Thats exactly right, atheism is NON-belief.

But it is, the way most atheist sees it, a result of critical and skeptical views on ANY claims, not just that of the religious. If you are an "atheist", it is likely that you have taken a look at the claims of the Chrsitians and the claims of the muslims, and/or any belief and said to yourself: "sorry, the evidence is just not good enough"

Anyway, they point that some of us wants to make, is that religious views should have no special free passes, no gaps, no privileged place in our discourse, simply because they are religious claims They should rather be subject to the same kind of criticism that a politician that seeks to lower the taxes, or an engineer that seek building permission, or a scientist that seeks stem cell research funds will meet. We see no reason why people who simply declare their beliefs as "faith" should get special treatment, in fact they should be held accountable, like any view that has impact on the way we live our lives. And since no one else seems to take that view, the people who run "The Atheist Experience", and others try to fill that gap,is way overdue.

"I'm so gonna get flamed now aren't I?"
You called?

Hehe, if I had seen it before, I would probably have strapped on a flamethrower and stepped out from under my bridge, but I think the moment passed and Shuac and nibiyabi covered the most parts for me too.

It mirrors the argument we had on http://www.videosift.com/video/Evolution-May-Be-True-But-I-Dont-Believe-In-It. Why can't we let the fools be wrong? Because they are wrong! And falsehoods tend to spread.

"and she wuh haff way dead, or whateva..." ROFL

>> ^shuac:
>> ^White:

Don't you find it disturbing that there is the same amount of proof that god exists as fairies? Or unicorns? Or elves? Or zeus? Or shiva? Or thor? Or osiris? Or isis? Or the flying spaghetti monster? Or the celestial teapot? I can keep going...I've got a whole list here.


Or love? Guess it doesnt exist huh?

Love is an emotion, just like anger, fear, guilt, etc., and emotions can scientifically be studied, unlike gods, fairies, unicorns, big foot, etc.

really? do you love someone? could you prove it to me?

Love has been linked to neurotrophins and other chemical inducements in the brain. Just like every other emotion. We've also learned how to play with those emotions, and if you don't think so, take a look at antidepressants and depressants that are used already to adjust emotions in people. Soon we may find a way to make love potion #9 with lasting effects (we'll save the ethics debate).

So yes, we can tangibly study love, and see love. We even have an idea of how love works.

God on the other hand, we have no direct proof. We don't even have direct proof of Jesus, except for the gospels that were written many years after his alleged death.

*reclaim