Nice, but I don't understand the description.
It seems to assume that people think Arabs don't dance, or don't allow their daughters to dance, or never take pride in their children's skills? Really? Not me. No surprise here except the fact that she had such a nice clean space to dance in in a public square.

Description (partial) from this yt video:
"This is Rima Baransi with her family in Trieste, Italy.
This is her father Assad Baransi recording the video and encouraging her to dance to the music. They were visiting the town as tourists.

The song being performed is entitled “Comptine D'un Autre Eté: l'Après Midi” by Yann Tiersen: https://youtu.be/W5_xFH5wqKM

English translation of what is said:

Dad: C'mon Rima! c'mon! Here I am filming, c'mon Rima for god's sake! For my sake! For my sake! C'mon start! [Do it!], C'mon Daddy (here its normal for the Dad to call his offspring "Dad", and the Mom calls them "Mom")"



i did find one video with her dancing. Start @2:40 https://youtu.be/dnfG75sRZXw

Just lovely

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Thursday, June 16th, 2016 8:26am PDT - promote requested by eric3579.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'violin, dance, arab, father pride' to 'violin, dance, arab, father pride, Yann Tiersen' - edited by blutruth

Soundtrack from the film Amélie...

She's out in that dress and no veil.

Obviously Dad's not a fundamentalist.

Also it's worth noting that there are Christian strongholds in America that would be scandalized by such behavior from their youth and don't get me started on Orthodox Jews.

It's not a problem with one religion, it's a problem with the extremists within EVERY religion. Extremism takes hold more easily in poor/poorly educated populations, so the answer isn't bomb the crap out of them, the answer is to educate and lift them out of poverty.

edit nevermind

Hell, we have no evidence WHAT religion (or lack thereof) the family even is...

Seems the assumption about him you are making is based on the same information others may think would make him a terrorist(at least in America). Making assumptions about peoples religion(or lack of) or how they think based on where they are from, what they look like or language they speak is THE problem no matter what you conclude from it.

...in my opinion.

That was cute ...and hopeful.

hopeful?

Wow, do I need to draw a venn diagram every time I comment here?

(non funda(mentalists - religious people (fundamentalists))

The group of non-fundamentalists includes religious and non-religious people. My comment was in response to the video's comment.

@Drachen_Jager

I think the point that eric was trying to make is this:

There is something intrinsically wrong in having religion be the thing that is commented on AT ALL when it comes to Arabic people.

I did it myself in my description of the vid -- masked by the generic word "culture."

We don't do that native Americans -- sort out where they fall on a religious spectrum. We don't do that to generic white people. But when it comes to Arabs, the first thing we do is sort out in our minds -- moderate? fundamentalist? do we even consider they could be atheist?

It is a fact that this young woman is NOT a fundamentalist of ANY religion, nor is her encouraging father.

What is sad is that we sort by religion first. And I did it myself.

I think @eric3579 is correct -- we need to push back against instantly falling into any stereotypical thinking, and let people be people just in themselves.

We're human, though. We are going to fall into stereotypes. The trick is to not stay there.

That you would make the comment at all shows that you think it's worth noting that 'Look, this one ISN'T a fundamentalist, and this Arab looking woman isn't being subjugated!', only leaving out "now I've seen everything."
For me, that's what was disturbing, the apparent surprise that any random Arab family might NOT be Islamic extremists.

I got your point about there being fundamentalists in other religions, but that's not the point. You would not see a white man encouraging his daughter to dance and say "Look, she's not wearing the little house on the prairie dress. Dad must not be a fundamentalist.", or a Semite with their daughter and say "She's not wearing a sheitel (wig) or a tichel (headscarf). Dad must not be a fundamentalist.", and when people jump to that disparaging (even subconsciously racist?) conclusion about them apparently based solely on their skin color and/or accent, it's unseemly (to me) and is exemplary of a problem.

EDIT: Also, I don't understand your 'diagram'. shouldn't it be
(non fundamentalists (religious people) fundamentalists)
or more clearly but probably not proper punctuation-
[non fundamentalists (religious people] fundamentalists)
Or even-
[non religious people-{non fundamentalists]-(religious people}-fundamentalist)
?

For the record, I don't think @Drachen_Jager said anything wrong, or racist, or inappropriate.

He stated a fact. Period.

It took eric with his broader vision to point out the subtle thing going on.

I say this as someone who did the exact same thing. (And now I'm going to add to my caption and change the title.)

Are you dense?

The original comment on the video was, "We think we know everything about a culture. No. No we don't."

I was responding to that, the original implied "they're Arab, so they're Muslim, but look! He's letting his daughter dance!" (at least to me). On top of that, I even added a comment about Judaism and Christianity and religion in general, but apparently you were too high up on your horse by that point to be able to read such a small font.

It didn't help that I had "Arab" father in the title. Which I have now changed.

Because this video is a lovely young woman being encouraged by her father to dance joyfully.

Nothing else.

This is on me. My apologies, @Drachen_Jager.

I wonder if Stephen Fry hates this?

Not really sure how you could. It's a pity the discussion is about anything other than how graceful this young lady is.

Edited:
I was the first to call that assumption in the description out, but you seemed to double down on the sentiment rather than disagree.

If that was meant as sarcasm, mocking the original description, that's why we have the "sarcasm" button, or winking emoji, or words to that effect, because if you don't hit it and instead write something insulting and stupid, then it seems you, like millions of others, MEAN it, especially when you go on with 2 paragraphs pre-defending your statement from the attacks you can see will follow.

I mentioned your qualification and explained how it's no excuse, so clearly I read it.


EDIT: Try reading your original post again without just assuming the first two sentences are mocking sarcasm and see if it sounds outrageous to you...then see if you have said anything to contradict that way of reading it.
BTW, "I was responding to that" does not mean "I was mocking that" or "I was disagreeing with that", imo.

This is really making me sad. It sure seems like the Sift has become overtaken by snipe fights lately.

As Chaos says, this is a lovely woman dancing, encouraged by her father, it is Father's Day, the music is inspiring. So much to celebrate.

Can't we all just get along?

Well, it is what it is. And I am sad that this is happening on this lovely video.