Richard Muller: I Was wrong on Climate Change

Published on Jan 7, 2015
Richard Muller became the darling of the climate denial community a few years ago when he made a number of statements questioning the integrity of climate scientists and science.
Since then, his own studies have (re)confirmed the rise in global temperature, and the cause, - human generated carbon dioxide.
newtboysays...

I wonder, what percentage of the "2%" of "scientists" that were not convinced of anthropomorphic climate change have also changed their positions?
When deniers claim the science isn't settled, can we now tell them they are a decade behind the times because those few they point to as 'the large number of scientists that don't believe in climate change' have all changed their positions or left the scientific field completely?
Not that many here need to be convinced, but we do have a few holdouts....so *promote

siftbotsays...

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Friday, February 12th, 2016 8:12am PST - promote requested by newtboy.

kir_mokumsays...

my understanding is that most of the "scientists" that they claim support them were not relevant to the field or are not working scientists and also included things like science teachers. once you reduce it down to researchers in the field you get a number closer to 0.002% (this is just off the top of my head).

newtboysaid:

I wonder, what percentage of the "2%" of "scientists" that were not convinced of anthropomorphic climate change have also changed their positions?
When deniers claim the science isn't settled, can we now tell them they are a decade behind the times because those few they point to as 'the large number of scientists that don't believe in climate change' have all changed their positions or left the scientific field completely?
Not that many here need to be convinced, but we do have a few holdouts....so *promote

Babymechsays...

Man... I know this was just a slip of the keyboard, but I really think there should be anthropomorphic climate change. It would be like a little mascot made of smog and storms and rising temperature graphs and it'd race around the earth looking for adventure and GHG emissions!

...actually there probably was anthropomorphic climate change somewhere in the old Captain Planet cartoons.

newtboysaid:

I wonder, what percentage of the "2%" of "scientists" that were not convinced of anthropomorphic climate change have also changed their positions?

newtboysays...

Yeah yeah...anthropoGENIC. My mistake. I await the requisite scourging.

Babymechsaid:

Man... I know this was just a slip of the keyboard, but I really think there should be anthropomorphic climate change. It would be like a little mascot made of smog and storms and rising temperature graphs and it'd race around the earth looking for adventure and GHG emissions!

...actually there probably was anthropomorphic climate change somewhere in the old Captain Planet cartoons.

ahimsasays...

your stance about veganism is very similar to the climate deniers in that you choose to buy into myths and lies as opposed to looking into the facts youself. the documentary i posted considers the issues of local, and so called "small" farms also. they are no more humane or less cruel than so called "factory farming" and are every but as inefficient and environmentally devastating. "factory farming" is a mere symptom and the root cause is the commodification of sentient non-human animals, just as in the past humans used to commodify other human beings of certain races. for example here is an article on the myth of "humane" animal farming: http://freefromharm.org/animal-products-and-ethics/factory-farming-alternative-farming/

the fact that climate change is driven in large part but the raising of non-human animals for food is without question a well documented fact. the human population is without a doubt a major factor but above this issue is the fact that it requires MANY times the resources to produce on calorie of flesh, dairy or eggs than it does to produce one calorie of plant based food. are you aware that in the USA, around 80% of crops grown are fed to the 10 billion farmed animals who are murdered every year for food? it has been estimated that 800 million humans could be fed on the crops which are grown for farmed animals alone. these issues are also gone into detail in the documentary.

as far as "tugging on your heart strings" goes, how is having compassion and empathy for anyone who suffers a bad thing? no one would be questioning it if the victims were human children but since they are "only" cows, pigs chickens and fishes (all of whom feel pain just like you or i do, perhaps even more so), suddenly violence against them is considered a matter of personal choice. the bottom line is that if you would not wish to expeience something yourself, it is never moral or ethical to force others to experience it, especially not in the name of a momentary taste sensation.

finally, here is a quote which i think best summarizes the situation:
“Aren’t humans amazing? They kill wildlife – birds, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice and foxes by the million in order to protect their domestic animals and their feed. Then they kill domestic animals by the billion and eat them. This in turn kills people by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative – and fatal – health conditions like heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, and cancer. So then humans spend billions of dollars torturing and killing millions more animals to look for cures for these diseases. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, few people recognize the absurdity of humans, who kill so easily and violently, and once a year send out cards praying for “Peace on Earth.”~ David Coates

newtboysays...

I just can't tell if you're serious with this, or ridiculing them for their ridiculous biased stance.

The human appetite for spawning children is THE driving force behind every single major and minor category of environmental damage now threatening the human future - deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities and the spread of disease. -Reality and Logic

ahimsasaid:

"The human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future - deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities and the spread of disease." -- The World Watch Institute

cowspiracy.com

newtboysays...

Then I'll be certain to NOT watch it (cowspiracy).
The only thing that would have a chance to make me go vegetarian (vegan is just nuts to me) would be being convinced that ALL food animals are mistreated. Since I know they aren't, watching videos of animal abuse is less than worthless, it's insulting and a simple attempt to 'pull at my heart strings', which always backfires when tried with me. I know full well that factory farms are disgusting...which is why I try to buy locally grown, 'free range' meats from smaller farms.
As to all the issues associated with 'meat production', they are really a product of too many people. If there were far fewer people to feed, factory farms would never exist, and neither would all those issues listed. I did my part by getting fixed and not having children, so I'll eat whatever I please and still be far ahead of the vegan with 3 kids as far as my ecological impact goes...far-far ahead.
;-)

enochsaid:

@newtboy

i think what @ahimsa is referring to is the documentary "cowspiracy",which addresses big agro-animals.it is a great documentary and may sway you to go vegan.

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