Olbermann: Mr. President, you are wrong!

04/16/09 - Keith Olbermann keeps it real, and calls out Obama on not pursuing prosecution for those who tortured under the Bush Administration.
Xaxsays...

So these evil people get a pass for the benefit of the unity of the country? I don't buy it. That's a lie. Are all these guys really just an extension of the same puppetmaster?

MaxWildersays...

If you don't understand why Obama is not going forward with investigations and prosecutions, you are missing the fact that a number of high ranking Democrats were complicit in Bush's atrocities. Obama cannot move forward with both parties against him. It is tragic, but if he pushed for prosecutions he would be destroyed from both sides of the aisle, and everything else he wants to accomplish in the next four years would be lost.

I'm not saying it's a good reason, I'm just saying that's probably what is happening.

NetRunnersays...

^ I disagree with what you think is motivating his coverup. I think he seriously wants the whole thing to go away, because if he personally gets behind a move to prosecute the torturers, it will a) kill any chance of building the political will to do so in a bipartisan fashion and b) kill any chance of his Presidency ever being about anything else.

Get mad about this, call your congressmen, senators, and Eric Holder's office.

Make sure they know the people want justice.

Make him do what's right.

gwiz665says...

It's all about covering their own asses. He is the president, he can push it through. Not doing it is cowardice. The international community ought to haul them to Hague for war crimes and get it over with.

chilaxesays...

It's possible Olbermann is right, but if Democrats lose the White House in 2016, it will be because of this kind of thing over the next 8 years... going farther to the left than the voting public.

The last time our exuberance for policies that were to the left of the voting public cost us dearly was 2000. Without that episode of irrational exuberance (Nader), we wouldn't even have had Bush & torture these last 8 years

rougysays...

>> ^chilaxe:
The last time our exuberance for policies that were to the left of the voting public cost us dearly was 2000. Without that episode of irrational exuberance (Nader), we wouldn't even have had Bush these last 8 years


That's a bunch of bullshit.

The left sacrifices to the right time after time and gets nothing for their troubles.

Gore lost, primarily, because the election was corrupted. And because he took the real left for granted with the old "Who else are you going to vote for?" routine.

Fuck Gore and fuck the Democrats. Fucking pussies sell out over and over again.

chilaxesays...

Rougy, with such careful and sophisticated reasoning, we can tell you must be a scientist!

Thanks for taking time away from your Ph.D. studies to tell us to fuck ourselves, and don't let anyone tell you you're closed-minded!

Fjnbksays...

I'm not quite sure we've seen the end of this yet. Remember that people were initially saying that Obama would never release the torture memos, and now the same are saying that he'll never prosecute. Obama has left an avenue with the "good faith" part of his statement, note that he never says that the Justice Department that made those orders was free from prosecution.

rougysays...

>> ^chilaxe:
Rougy, with such careful and sophisticated reasoning, we can tell you must be a scientist!
Thanks for taking time away from your Ph.D. studies to tell us to fuck ourselves, and don't let anyone tell you you're closed-minded!


No, thank you Chilaxe, for all of your rational moderation regarding our political system.

Thanks to people like you, the Democrats, our "left of center" party, is well to the right of any leftist party in almost any other developed country in the world.

Thanks for continuing to blame the failures of the Democratic party on people like me and Ralph Nader, because heaven knows all of your compromises have worked so fucking well thus far.

NetRunnersays...

>> ^chilaxe:
It's possible Olbermann is right, but if Democrats lose the White House in 2016, it will be because of this kind of thing over the next 8 years... going farther to the left than the voting public.
The last time our exuberance for policies that were to the left of the voting public cost us dearly was 2000. Without that episode of irrational exuberance (Nader), we wouldn't even have had Bush & torture these last 8 years


Enforcing the laws on torture isn't a leftist position, it's a human position.

It's not overreaching to charge criminals with crimes, even if they have a 24-hour propaganda outlet defending them.

As for leftist positions being unpopular, you need to look at more polling data. 8 years of broken government seems to have taught most Americans the value of having a working government, and are tilting lefter than I've ever seen it.

Now is the time to prove we can deliver, not to hang back and mimic the Republicans who just got routed.

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