Let this be a warning to anyone who sells untaxed cigarettes. The judges, juries, and executioners are the suckers with the badges, there to "Protect & Serve" the shit out of anyone who steps out of line.

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looks like a bunch of cops don't like seeing a citizen being brave andhelping others, lol

Why is there not more screaming in this video? Why is there no condemnation of the murderers? This just goes along with the videos @chingalera posted recently. I feel these are the more valuable videos to post though (sorry chingalera).
Most cops are kind of shitty for putting up with the institutionalized brainwashing. There are more cops who are downright shit. That I recognize that some legitimately want to make a difference for the good of everyone keeps me from condemning them all, but I still condemn 95% of them.
It enrages me that this continues to happen, and these Robot Thugs are don't get beaten down by the public immediately.

another case where they keep using the wrong level of force. This is a situation where a taser actually would have been useful and would not have killed the guy, but nah, lets save the tasers for grandma, or the pet dog Spot.

I thought that was the whole point of tasers to be able to bring down a big guy like that without having to use chokeholds and other stuff like that where accidents can happen.

And that's ignoring the whole question of whether or not it was necessary to use force on the guy in the first place.

Violent criminal gangs use any means to enforce through force, that which protects their private institution. The New York Police Department is a violent criminal organization, a private institution and the enforcement-arm of a larger criminal conspiracy. Period.

...says the burnout anarchist-wannabe who yet still enjoys the perks of living in the self-described fascist state, so ultimately is a coward who is unwilling to put his money (or lack thereof) where his very large mouth is.

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So yes, I take everything you, the wise internet prophet, say and claim seriously and consider it highly reliable and plan on immediate action.

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all blabbering, no action. Get a job, Choggie and move out of your mom's basement.

well at least PoodooV didn't accuse you of being a fudgepacker

Tasers have caused so many heart-attacks in people that I would not call them safe, and as heavy as this guy is it could have killed him just as easily.

Tasers are not the answer.

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Perks? Basements? Hey Futurama, you live in the U.S.?? How about you and 70 million Americans miss a month of paychecks and commandeer yourself a grocery cart and join the ranks of the nuevo-homeless? Maybe you can find bed or back-down at one of these places...Moron much??

Here, check a map-There's one near you...
http://kickthemallout.com/images/Misc/FEMACampsGoogleMap.jpg

When it's time for any real 'action' the majority of ineffectual idlers like yourself will be the first to wear the Hugo Boss trustee-enforcer's armband ß

wow, you're STILL burnt up about that? Hahah! just come out already. Really got under your skin didn't it? Something in what I said must have been true for you to remember it so long.

pathetic play on the name is pathetic.

Cool, the burnout and the closet case self-loather in the same thread. How efficient.

seek professional help. You obviously have a substance problem.

I do. There's no 'substance' to most of the peanut-gallery chit-chatter on this site from it's most active users, yourself and small cadre of ass-scratchers providing the fodder for my consternation enhancing the bitterness in my cooling coffee...

I'm betting the perp wishes he wouldn't have resisted arrest now. I'm not saying he was guilty or innocent, but if you resist an arrest right or wrong it may end badly for you. Best to sort it out in court and then stick it to the bitch cops.

These videos never show the alleged crime or lack thereof. The cops claim the suspect was selling cigarettes illegally, the narrator claims that he simply broke up a fight. If that's the case, why does the video not show either?

All the video shows is a man resisting arrest and having a heart attack in the process. One could argue that this wouldn't have happened if the cops didn't try to arrest him. One could also argue that it wouldn't have happened if he had simply cooperated. Because the video doesn't show what happened beforehand, we don't know if the arrest or resistance was justified. Context is everything and the removal of context makes it easier to push your own agenda.

In a legal sense you are correct. I don't agree with the legal definition, to me morally this should be defined as murder. It was an overwhelming forceful attack which ended in the death of a man, that is not surprising in the least.

I disagree. There is a huge moral gulf between deliberately setting out to kill someone and having someone die while they are resisting your attempt to restrain them.

And "an overwhelming forceful attack" is the whole point of an arrest. It's not supposed to be a fair fight, the suspect is supposed to give up peacefully when he sees the odds stacked against him. That it ended in his death is because he resisted arrest.

Here's the thing. You know all those movies and TV shows where an innocent man resists arrest, solves the crime he's accused of and is eventually proven right? Guess what happens in real life... he still gets convicted of resisting arrest. The law is like that for a reason. It's not up to you to decide your guilt or innocence.

I'm not saying the cops were right (as @Jerykk pointed out, there's no context to decide if they should have been arresting him), but calling it murder is unreasonable.

There is no gulf between the result, there is no gulf for the family of the victim. It doesn't matter if he's dead, there is no going back from that.

If you have ever been choked you would know that you can't help yourself but resist. Your body spasm, it's trying to get air and you'll do everything you can to survive. What this tactic does is insure that a person will fight back so you can keep harming that person.

The police are absolutely in the wrong, this man is not a danger to anyone, even himself. They either talk him down, or use non lethal means to bring him under control. If they can't do that they leave him be, and if they need to follow him until they get backup. There is no reason to immediately attack him, it just makes this worse.

So no it is not unreasonable to call it murder at all. It is by definition a Murder because it is the Unlawful Killing of a Human Being. They may have the legal right under this Nations laws to murder people with impunity but the laws are wrong.

What you are doing is defending them using their Laws. Why would anyone ever accept that? If I could make the laws for myself I would and then I would never be guilty.

I'm just going to go through this point for point.

There is no gulf between the result, there is no gulf for the family of the victim. It doesn't matter if he's dead, there is no going back from that.

If you have ever been choked you would know that you can't help yourself but resist. Your body spasm, it's trying to get air and you'll do everything you can to survive. What this tactic does is insure that a person will fight back so you can keep harming that person.

The police are absolutely in the wrong, this man is not a danger to anyone, even himself. They either talk him down, or use non lethal means to bring him under control. If they can't do that they leave him be, and if they need to follow him until they get backup. There is no reason to immediately attack him, it just makes this worse.

So no it is not unreasonable to call it murder at all. It is by definition a Murder because it is the Unlawful Killing of a Human Being.

They may have the legal right under this Nations laws to murder people with impunity but the laws are wrong.

What you are doing is defending them using their Laws. Why would anyone ever accept that? If I could make the laws for myself I would and then I would never be guilty.

You're just going to keep arguing so I don't see the point of this. But I'll rebut some things.

You go and tell the family it doesn't matter that their son died.

My mother was choked and raped in my parents bed by an intruder when I was not yet 3 years old. The defensive wounds on her body were said by the authorities to be from her struggling until the very end.

Also I live with a trained UFC fighter, who was a champion in Southern California. I asked him this and you fight until you black out, you do not stop because you're getting choked, if anything it makes you more desperate.

You keep citing the Legal right to something as if that matters to me. It doesn't, I'm stating unequivocally that what they did was wrong, it doesn't matter what the law says. Just because a law says you can do something does not make it a just law.

It is their laws, it is the laws of the state. The police are a part of that state and they are sent by the owners of the state to enforce those laws. We do not have a democracy in the US anymore. This is like defending the SS because Hitler told them what to do, they have no defense.

We're done here, we will never agree because we have lived completely different lives. I understand that and I hope you do as well.

Now read the comments on the link in the description, and remember they're all law enforcement officials.

Medical Examiner rules Eric Garner death a homicide caused by police choke hold