...on the thread at Youtube, someone explained that the recruit didn't announce them "on deck" when they entered the room.

I would think that once you realize that the drill sergeants can't touch you, they become a lot less threatening.

True. It depends on the personality, Theo. My husband is ex-Army, he tells he found the screaming hilarious and how hard it was to keep a straight face.

See, that's the exact same reaction I would have. Good story.

Yeah I think I would totally crack up in that scenario. The officers resembled an angry flock of geese, honking away and craning their necks.

what i'm curious about is why there was a camera there on the top bunk ... which leads to: a) it's a setup or b)someone wants to turn some officers in ...

using this as an example though ... this is one of the prime ways the military starts to break someone down, demean them and turn them into sheep ... only to build them back up into non-thinking kill tanks ...

*hops off soapbox*

I'm sure it was the drill instructors camera. They haven't done anything unacceptable here.
Yes, they are tearing them down to rebuild them, but not into sheep. Non-thinking? I don't exactly agree there. Soldiers have to be able to set aside fear and ego to function as a unit under extreme circumstances.

As long as powerful men send our kids into wars, I appreciate the people that help them prepare for them.

One of those things you learn in the military, just "recieving" You get verbal abuse and thats just how it is. "You useless piece of SHIT!" its not something a real person would say to another real person in real life, but in the army, its the norm. That and all the abbreviations makes it remarkably similar to the internet.

I like the 3rd one that shows up on the right and just starts howling in the recruits ear.

pfff. so this is it? i´m not surprised. laughable. who is impressed by those dumb little guys screaming their heads of?

again: pfff.

oh and yes, i spent my time in the military too. but over here what these guys did is not allowed. obviously other armys can work without humiliation. yes, we´ve been mindf*cked too, but this? i would burst out laughing in their screaming faces.

Special forces are trained to obey just about anything, they break them down for weeks and months, each task more absurd than the next, if you dont obey, your out. no sleep, no rest, just more mindless shit, and then they ask you to "jump off this cliff" At this stage some are so broken down they'll jump.. and if they do, they are considered unfit because they DID follow the order.

reminded me of Full Metal Jacket's Gny. Sgt. Hartman..." just what is your major malfunction" LOL

IMO, all armies, independently of the nation, are full of idiots. I have no respect for people who decide to make a living as killing machines, or training others to be. I know this world (unfortunately) needs armies to protect nations, against other armies (isn't that something?), but still they get no respect from me.
Police officers are trained to uphold the law, and use deadly force as the last possible resource. THAT gets my respect. Soldiers are nothing more than glorified assassins, and they are the most obvious example of just how fucked up this world is, and how primal and animalistic humans can be. It's below me.

So in your view Empire, the Allied armies of World War 2 were full of idiots? You know they fought the Nazis?

Not exactly. Because a lot of them were drafted. And of course I'm grateful they stopped the Nazis, but let's face. That was not WHY the US got into WW2. They stepped in because Pearl Harbor was attacked. Who knows how much longer it would have taken for the US army to enter the war, if Pearl Harbor didn't happen.
And let's face it, the Nazis were evil of course, but I'm pretty sure the US army was full of people who also didn't like jews or black people. And it's a known fact that soldiers in an army lose their sight of the purpose of the mission quite rapidly. They stay alive and fight because of each others, not because their nations ask them to.
And I'm bad mouthing the army people, but politicians are ever worse. They are the ones who cause the problems, and they're not even brave enough to step in the battlefields. That's why I think political careers should not exist. Everything should have a limited number of terms. The presidents can only serve a few times, so can the prime-ministers, and so should the ministers, secretaries, senators, mayors, etc. At least that way the people that would run for politics, wouldn't be doing it to live off of it, but because they had a real interest to improve things.
Just my 2 cents.
I know i'm totally utopian, but I expect from others, the same I expect from myself.

One of those things you learn in the military, just "recieving" You get verbal abuse and thats just how it is. "You useless piece of SHIT!" its not something a real person would say to another real person in real life, but in the army, its the norm. That and all the abbreviations makes it remarkably similar to the internet.

OK, you maggots!!

I really wish I was in the army

Empire I think your views are immature and unrealistic.

Why do you think standing armies exist right now? It's so that other countries don't trample all over them. You think armed forces can disappear overnight and we'll all suddenly hold hands? Thats such a silly assumption why don't you go tell the Chechen people who are fighting a military occupation that they should go hug the Russian armed forces. So them rising up to fight armed incursion and giving rise to an army in your view is stupid?

Am sorry that in your simplistic mind you believe that the Allied Forces compromised only of Americans. Not the British, Canadian, Polish, French, Australian, Dutch, New Zealand, and many other commonwealth nations. And comparing racism in the US forces to the Nazi "final" solution for the Jews, homosexuals and communists? That's just stupid. Look at the Switzerland, a nation of peace. That maintains a standing army and military duty is a requirement.

The utopian world you speak of? There are too many problems to be solved before we can all collectively hold hands.

Empire you are as ungrateful as you are arrogant. Men have died to secure the very freedom you have to speak such immature garbage. How very sad, and shame on you.

I don't know what country you are from, but obviously you're from where you've been given everything in your life without earning it, and appreciates who's given it to you even less.

Applause to both swampgirl and farhad. Wish I'd been the one to say what you two have said.

I know a woman who has a view on war and the military that is so simplistic as to boggle the mind -- on the big example of WW2, say, she states that the Allies were no better than the Axis because both sides killed. I know another woman who, watching footage of that same struggle, said "tsk, such a waste", and not surprisingly had no retort when I asked whether she thought it would've been better not to have fought back against the Nazis, which is the only way anyone could have avoided that war's "wastefulness" once Hitler's armies were on the march. As long as there are humans, there will be violence between them, and as long as there are nations there will be more wars -- there can be intervals of peace but eventually there will be more wars. That's the deal.

The use of force should be a last resort, but there are times when it is a necessary evil. It may always be possible to refuse to be violent, but sometimes it is wrong to make that refusal. To take WW2 once again, the US, for example, would have been wrong not to join that fight, even though they could have walled themselves off in North America and been safe without ever going to war. They could have stayed home, not gone to war, not killed a whole lot of Nazis, and they would have been in the wrong. Fighting, once in a great while, can be an act of conscience, and the world we live in is that complex -- much too complex to be neatly sorted out with supersimple black-and-white thinking.

My father has been in the military for 28 years and is now stationed at the Pentagon. If you (Empire) honestly think soldiers are mindless killing machines then you are a person who says that out of ignorance. My father has been a great dad to me and my five siblings for my whole life, and he has been married to my mother for more than 20 years. I don't think I could have been more lucky to have a dad like him, and the fact that he is in the military makes me look up to him even more as I, of all people, know that he is a man with honor, dignity, respect, courage, and steadfastness. He taught me most of what I know, and what I know a lot of is hard work and respect for life and a love for family and others. All the many people besides him that I know of who are in the armed forces also are respectable, sincere, and human; not mindless brutes. I registered here just to let that be known.

Welcome to VideoSift, x7

I went through that hell about 2 years ago. Imagine someone screaming at you for hours, while being forced to recite information or perform "physical activities". Naturally I think this is hilarious, but at the time I was terrified. Looks like Recruit depot san diego.

Boot Camp is bizarro world, but it definitely teaches you how to deal with stress (among other things).

Oh, and I am definitely not a brainwashed robot, thanks.

i don´t think EMPIRE has attacked here anybody personally. if some of us are soldiers i don´t think he did that on purpose. so please stop going after him personally and calling him ignorant and immature. everybody´s free to have his own opinion and guess what: i agree with him. and no, i´m not from a place "where i didn´t earn everything i got". i even was part of this crap. i think soldieres are murderers (that´s a very famous slogan over here, in original "Soldaten sind Mörder") and i can´t understand why anybody would work for the army, the DoD or whatever. that´s why i quit. i don´t want to attack someone specific, especially not the folks here, hell i still even have some friends in the army. but i hate what they do and i´ll stick to that.

such things are always full of emotion but we all should try to respect the fact that people have different opinions and that´s just great. you don´t need to agree and if you don´t you´re free to tell them but please stop calling people whatever.

it´s just the same here as with quantummushroom. i disagree with him on nearly everything but i don´t call him an idiot or whatever. i think it´s nice to have someone here with a different point of view, that helps me keeping my braincells fit :-)

Group hug

I have nothing but total respect and admiration for the soldier. To mimic Farhad, war is eternal among men. We might as well be ready for it. Also mentioned before, this isn't abuse...this is training.

My dad was an Airman and my son wants to do the same. I couldn't be prouder!

Conan hon, read what I said again. Didn't call anyone an idiot, just immature and ungrateful...which he is. I wouldn't go so far as saying the same to you, but obviously you are unrealistic and idealistic to a fault. How you feel towards yourself in the military is something personal to you.
I can however appreciate you for contributing to your country no matter how short lived it may be. People who serve their countries deserve that regardless of their position on violence. This is my point.

As for respect.. I respect his Right to say whatever he pleases. He does not understand or appreciate what sacrifices were necessary to give him that.

I rarely participate in debate around here. I do not "attack" people here. If you've seen me around enough, you'll know I'm here mostly for light hearted fun, and you won't see me trolling Empire, or you, or anyone else here for that matter. That's not what I do.

That's all nice and everything Conan but maybe you should fact-check that the saying of "Soldaten sind Mörder" comes from a publication in 1932. Given what occurred afterwards I really rest my case regarding that.

It's wrong to lay the blame at people who selflessly give their lives to serve their nation. Maybe you should look at how politicians use those armed forces, wars are not run by generals, they are instituted by politicians. For me it's up to the citizens to make sure that that path is only used in the most drastic conditions as outlined by calvados.

During the 1994 Rwanadan genocide the entire world could have intervened with a larger peace-keeping forces but who came forward? Canada sent one general, Belgium sent the only westernized force that is self sufficient, Bangladesh and Ghana committed some troops but the overall UN mission was small and could not stop the outbreak of violence, their force was just too small. Between April 6 and mid-July 1994, a genocide that is estimated to have left between 800,000 and 1,071,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus dead at the hands of organized bands of militias unfolded. In the wake of the Rwandan Genocide, the United Nations and the international community in general drew severe criticism for its inaction.

Despite international news media coverage of the violence as it unfolded, most countries, including France, Belgium, and the United States, declined to intervene or speak out against the massacres. Only Belgium had asked for a strong UNAMIR mandate, but after the gruesome murder of the ten Belgian peacekeepers protecting the Prime Minister in early April, Belgium pulled out of the peacekeeping mission.

Mostly because most other countries sold arms to the Rwandans prior to the event.

Simply saying that armed forces and the people in them are stupid, mindless killers is a gross simplification of the reality we face in the world.

Furthermore it is good that armed forces exist, because only then can they be accountable for their actions, that is why there is the ROE document. If no armies existed that would give rise to private armies and mercenaries, that ARE NOT accountable for their actions, see PMC presence in Iraq.

"I would think that once you realize that the drill sergeants can't touch you, they become a lot less threatening."

Anyone who has ever been a Marine or Knows a Marine, knows that this is complete horse shit.

I was just going there, choggie.
While they can't touch you, it doesn't mean that they don't have about a million ways of breaking your ass down. Whether it's on the quarterdeck, the pit, or against a wall, drill instructors know how to cause pain by sheer use of muscle.

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