So I'm going to ask a serious question here.
Forget about race for a minute.

Are kids not raised anymore to know that if you run from the Police, they will get shot?

That's my question.
It's the number one thing I learned about Police as I grew up - it's ingrained in our culture, "Stop or I'll shoot!"
If you run from the Police, you get shot. EVERYONE knows this. If you're dumb enough to run, just know they are going to shoot at you.
What the mom should be saying is, "Damn I brought him up better than that! Why did he run? --Just never could teach that boy anything..."

This is true if you're Black or White or Green or any other colour. You flee from Police, they will shoot.

I don't mean to say by my above comment, that he should have been shot at. No one deserves to die at the hands of another person, in authority or not. If there are race issues at hand, then that's an issue as well. But he made the decision to run. He made the decision to carry a gun. He obviously had something to hide.
If he had just stayed still, and took the repercussions of his actions like he should have, he would still be alive today.

When a youth dies, everyone looses.

No, they never were taught that because that's murder. Most people don't teach their children how to act in the face of others acting outrageously wrong. Living that way, totally aquessing to any perceived authority under fear of execution, is unthinkable to most Americans.
If you run from the police and get shot in the back, they're in the wrong far more than you, even if you're armed.
Police may only legally use deadly force if their life or others are in imminent danger if they don't. A fleeing suspect doesn't come close unless they're actively pointing their gun at someone.
"Stop or I'll shoot" is not a policy, it's supposed to be an empty threat (or a line in a movie). If you're dumb enough to excuse them following through on that threat, you're part of the problem.
Fleeing arrest is not a capital crime allowing police to become judge, jury, and executioner.

When police misconduct becomes the expected behavior, everyone loses.

I'm not a Police officer, nor do I play one on TV. I've never been through Police Training or know what standard procedure is.

What I do know, is Don't Bolt and run from Police - It's not a difficult concept.

I'm not justifying his actions. I'm saying. If you're going to run, you need accept some of the responsibility - Bad things are going to happen.

I disagree, you are never responsible for someone else overreacting irresponsibly.
It's like saying if you don't run, bad things are going to happen, and even if you've done nothing illegal you also have to accept some responsibility for the charges they make up to see what will stick at your expense, and the abuse or even death you may be subjected to if they decide they don't like you or your attitude.

Someone else acting wrongly is not the victim's responsibility in any way.

Okay - So help me understand - If a police officer tells you to freeze, and you run, that's a perfectly okay response, and the officer should let you do so?

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but what is "any" officer's response supposed to be, if they can't catch up - just let them go?
Because if that's the new rule, why would anyone ever stop when running means a free ticket?

I mean this sincerely. What is an officer supposed to do in this situation? And you can't say, let him go....

Just so you know - I don't advocate shooting people - I really don't - but what is the actual protocol. because I'm feeling like you're saying it's okay to run anytime a police stops someone.

Edit: It's okay to say you don't know.


"At common law, the fleeing felon rule permits the use of force, including deadly force, against an individual who is suspected of a felony and is in clear flight."

"...may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

When can police use lethal force against a fleeing suspect?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/can-police-use-lethal-force-fleeing-suspect

You've gotta be fucking kidding me. You're seriously trying to imply that the police have no alternative if someone runs but to shoot them.

My own view is that cops shouldn't be shooting people who weren't shooting first, period. Obviously that's not what the law says in many places, or we'd be seeing a lot more cops convicted of murder.

Please. The Cartmanesque mental gymnastics you're doing are professional level.

No one said running is legal or right, I noted how it's understandable given the likely outcome of being detained, guilty or not. I also noted how deadly force is not an acceptable response to fleeing. It's far from the only option. Edit: I also noted that, if one is responsible for other people's overreaction that goes both ways, and they would be responsible for the outcome of not fleeing.....including false charges, beatings, and death.

Yes, if they, and other officers, and good Samaritan bystanders, and helicopters, and the radio can't catch up, and they aren't posing an ongoing significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others, the answer isn't shoot them in the back, it is
Let
Them
Go.

See, you're wrong again, I could say it. ;-) Not only that, the law says it too.
The answer you seem to want is "go ahead and kill them if they won't comply", that's immoral and illegal and completely ignores the reality of what happens to many innocent people when they do comply.

Stop running from the Cops and the the shooting will stop.

No it won't.

And a person can't stop being black either. Except Michael Jackson I mean.

Being black is not the issue. Disregarding police orders and running is.

Whatever makes you feel good.

I stand my ground. No it won't.

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