Suprisingly good little primer, and still valid today.
siftbotsays...

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Wednesday, November 23rd, 2016 1:21am PST - promote requested by deathcow.

Paybacksays...

Nah, we'll just mess with Trump Construction Inc. GPS systems and they'll build it for us, and get Mexico to pay for it. It'll work. Trust me.

Jinxsaid:

might be time to build some sort of wall.

Spacedog79says...

I see from the tags that this is aimed at Trump supporters, but speaking as a pinko commie leftie I think the neoliberal elite left is just as guilty albeit in less blatantly racist ways. They seem more than happy to allow corruption of the political process with lobbyists and accelerating the shift of money and power to the top 1%.

enochsays...

oh just STOP with your "facts" and "logic" and your "reasonable arguments".........

Spacedog79said:

I see from the tags that this is aimed at Trump supporters, but speaking as a pinko commie leftie I think the neoliberal elite left is just as guilty albeit in less blatantly racist ways. They seem more than happy to allow corruption of the political process with lobbyists and accelerating the shift of money and power to the top 1%.

poolcleanersays...

Liberty is the answer. You have to convince Americans that they don't stand for simple freedom, they stand for motherfucking liberty; which accounts for all people, not one people or the other.

Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness...

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

ChaosEnginesays...

There were categorically no facts in his post (see the key phrases "I think" and "they seem").

There was no logic or arguments either. Logic and argument come from reasoning based on presented facts.

This might sound petty (it does to me and I'm writing it), but when Post Truth Politics caused Brexit and Trump, words like "facts", "logic" and "reasonable arguments" cannot be thrown around.

Regardless of whether I agree with @Spacedog79 (which I mostly do), what he presented was "opinion", not fact, logic or argument.

enochsaid:

oh just STOP with your "facts" and "logic" and your "reasonable arguments".........

dannym3141says...

Suddenly accuracy and detail become popular, and all it took was for the worst developed world leadership candidate in modern history to win the presidency of the US.

Do the words horse, stable and bolted mean anything to anyone?

We're about 10 years into post truth politics by now, and it seems a strange thing to me to start the fight-back here, on individual comments made by people beholden to themselves. Rather than opinion-shaping mass media printing literal lies.

Let he who did not engage in hyperbole during Trump's campaign cast the first stone. Everyone's suddenly twice the pedantic nerd I ever am when the phrase "post truth" becomes en vogue.

I don't want to be a dick or anything, but look at the backlash to all this policing of PC language. People were happy to give a potential president of the US the leeway to be sexist and xenophobic because of political correctness fatigue. Do you really want to do the same thing but with FACTS? Because that's where this ends...

2024 -- "Oh you can't say anything these days without being sure you're 100% correct and accurate and can't be misconstrued! So what if the president's opinion on climate change doesn't involve facts? It's about time someone spoke their mind without the fact-checking police getting involved!"

I genuinely don't want to be a dick about it. But if I am one, I'm pretty sure I do also have a good point.

JustSayingsays...

Oh yes, the delicious irony of post-WW2 segregated america. Thank god negroes aren't people, am I right?

Still, upvoting the message. Sadly, it still needs to be heard.

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