Yes Mac Guy, cause MacOS is a glowing bastion of perfection. -_-

Still using win7 RC, I would recommend it to everyone.

Sorry, but i hate macs so downvote

I've been running Win 7 RC for 3 months at work and Win 7 Ultimate at home for a month now. It's an excellent OS, and I haven't had any issues with it.

I never owned a computer that ran either Vista or OS X, though.

But Macs ARE PCs nowadays.

hahaha.

Mac users don't bother me until they try to tell me how inferior I am using my PC with Windows (or even Linux?). I don't go around the mac labs here at work telling the instructors or students how much better their computer would be with Windows XP/Vista/7, and vice versa. Well except for that one annoying mac guy here...

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For those keeping track... Windows 95 before OSR updates was pretty buggy and unreliable, and so was ME and Vista. Windows 95B and Vista SP1 fixed alot of the problems out of the gate.

Perhaps he should take a look at his own company and the MacOS 9 days... pretty laughable before OS X came out. Cooperative-multitasking a la Windows 3.1 was horribly outdated and unstable in the years leading up to 2001. I used OS8/9 alot in college for digital media and everyone regularly cursed the machines for being top of the line and yet slow as molasses.

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Windows 7 generally looks good to me but had some glaring problems last time I checked that made me revert back to using a dual booted XP. Namely:

It can't seem to play two audio sources via SPDIF, something that XP was perfectly capable of doing. For example, I'd have foobar running, I'd go to watch a youtube video and lo and behold the only way to get sound from the latter was to shut down foobar. Idiocy.

It also froze upon loading into a MP game in TF2 for me, although apparently that has something to do with the 8800 line graphics cards I have and some kind of driver issue, so I'd expect that's either sorted or will be sorted soon.

Meh, when it comes down to it though, besides a few functional improvements, it's XP with a new, spiffier GUI which you have to relearn. And the sad part is, the GUI will be the prime motivating factor for the average user to upgrade.

I'm running Windows 7 RTM on my 20" iMac. So there.

I like how either Mac doesn't understand or don't think a majority of their child/liberal-arts major audience understands that PC stands for "Personal Computer", which a Mac is categorized as. Really the debate is about operating systems, but I guess they don't want to get too "technical" and scare off their market demographic.

Good job Mac, you are to PC's what Larry the Cable Guy is to comedians.

I guess the message is "don't go with our competitors, who continually improve their product." This implies that MacOS has been perfect since inception back in 1984.

In the past week I've had one "you use PC... but I thought you were creative?" from a person in the marketing business, and one "All my data has been lost, but I'm on Mac... I don't understand I thought this only happened to people on PCs!" also from a person in the marketing business. Both these people are women who control the budgets for outsourced creative projects. This is why the success of Apple's marketing bothers me: it actually affects my chances of getting business (because these women are idiotic marketing victims).

Normally Mac adverts make me chuckle even though I'm a PC user, but I wanted to stop watching this one after only ten seconds. This advert reminds me of all the nightmares we had when migrating to Tiger and Leopard OS X! we've made a collective decision to ignore Snow Leopard now, partly to avoid the headaches but also because one of the new Macs came pre-installed with Snow Leopard and it doesn't want to play nice with the rest of the Macs and PCs on the network... *sigh*

Meh, I hate Microsoft and I'd have to say that none of those OS were as bad as they want you to believe.

>> ^rottenseed:
I like how either Mac doesn't understand or don't think a majority of their child/liberal-arts major audience understands that PC stands for "Personal Computer", which a Mac is categorized as. Really the debate is about operating systems, but I guess they don't want to get too "technical" and scare off their market demographic.
Good job Mac, you are to PC's what Larry the Cable Guy is to comedians.


And I love your straw men.

Feels good to build em up and knock em down eh?!?

>> ^volumptuous:
>> ^rottenseed:
I like how either Mac doesn't understand or don't think a majority of their child/liberal-arts major audience understands that PC stands for "Personal Computer", which a Mac is categorized as. Really the debate is about operating systems, but I guess they don't want to get too "technical" and scare off their market demographic.
Good job Mac, you are to PC's what Larry the Cable Guy is to comedians.

And I love your straw men.
Feels good to build em up and knock em down eh?!?

The fact that you're calling me out on straw man fallacy when the Mac itself is using straw man argument is golden...

You should eat your flintstones kids' vitamins to go with that dose of irony

I'm a mac user, and I like 'em and all that, but sometimes I still miss my PC days of DOS 6.22...

Mac/PC bickering aside, I thought Hodgman's wardrobe for the older Windows releases was fucking great.

Why do people still consider mentioning that "PC" is "Personal Computer" and that Macs are part of that? It is largely understood that PC = Windows now, this is how it is marketed and used most commonly, the expanded form is no longer relevant, nobody looks at it that way, PC is now more a single term much like Mac.

Other than that, this fight about who is better is seriously getting stale. Use the OS that YOU enjoy and be happy with that, what is with everyone's constant need to convert people to or justify their position? All 3 of the main OS's are perfectly capable of being OS's, all 3 have their positive/negatives. My answer to anyone who asks me what computer they should buy (when they mean what OS should I use) is the same every time. Try them all and see what fits your needs, what I find useful, you might find infinitely annoying.

And this goes for all camps, PLEASE for the love of God, stop confusing INITIAL discomfort with a bad OS. When you train yourself to behave in one way for years and switch to something different, a 10minute session is obviously not going to be pleasant, it will take you a few days to a week or more just to break out of your shortcut habits.

>> ^yellowc:
Why do people still consider mentioning that "PC" is "Personal Computer" and that Macs are part of that?


Because hardware is hardware and software is software. Almost all home computers now, whether Apple, Dell, HP, self-built, run on intercompatible hardware. This is pretty cool actually, I just don't like the over-simplification that goes on in advertising.

As for comfort of use, as a lifelong Windows user who switched first to Ubuntu then OS X on the side, I have to say I never really got comfortable with Windows. The window management paradigm is cluttered and simply gets on my nerves. Exposé and the Compiz equivalent on Linux made for a user experience that was immediately more comfortable for me than I was with Windows, even as someone who had never used anything that didn't come from Microsoft. At the risk of terminal digression, I'd like to state the entire idea of a desktop is terrible, too, and this is something OS X does badly as well. I don't see why you would ever want anything put on your desktop since you'll just end up having to move a dozen windows out of the way to get at the desktop.

Three years later, it´s funny how this can be both true and irrelevant.