No. I agree completely with his point; in fact I think its so important that it should be done right.

>> ^Reefie:

>> ^chtierna:
Anyone else see his eyes darting constantly to the side? Kind of takes away from the point of his speech if he doesn't think it's important enough to memorize... Or is something else going on here? And isn't there equipment so the person can still look into the camera while he's reading a prepared text?

Is that an attempt to deflect the discussion away from the extremely valid point he was making?

Look at it this way, would you like to see him holding a note and reading from it with his head down, occasionally looking up? This should be important enough to do right.

>> ^misterwight:

You'd rather he devote his limited time to memorizing a speech for video broadcast?

Anyone else see his eyes darting constantly to the side? Kind of takes away from the point of his speech if he doesn't think it's important enough to memorize... Or is something else going on here? And isn't there equipment so the person can still look into the camera while he's reading a prepared text?

*discard

Memento, to me, is just on a completely other level than Inception. Great movie. Memento, that is.

In reply to this comment by campionidelmondo:
I thought the movie was good, but apart from the semi-original idea it was nothing special. I love Memento and Prestige so maybe I was expecting too much.

Great sift. Imagine this with multiplayer mohohaha!

We need more videos with boobs. Titties. Bazongas. Cajungas. Flesh Pillows. Stacks. Squeezables. Either that or politics. Let me know what you find!

In reply to this comment by laura:
Sarcasm?
...because I love videos that expose me to something I didn't know about, especially creatures of our world...what kind of videos do you honestly think we need more of here on the sift? I'll try to find some for you.

In reply to this comment by chtierna:
Oh, and nice video. We sorely lack useless animal videos here on the sift. Good job.

Haha, yes, sarcasm. How often do you get to use it here on the sift and get away with it? Of course I jumped at the chance

In reply to this comment by laura:
Sarcasm?
...because I love videos that expose me to something I didn't know about, especially creatures of our world...what kind of videos do you honestly think we need more of here on the sift? I'll try to find some for you.

In reply to this comment by chtierna:
Oh, and nice video. We sorely lack useless animal videos here on the sift. Good job.

Hey! Congratulations to your first year and two months of sift membership. That 'p' by your name is a testament to your accomplishment!

Oh, and nice video. We sorely lack useless animal videos here on the sift. Good job.

Wow. Didn't you turn out clever...

>> ^ponceleon:

Unfortunately the Sarcastic Fringehead doesn't do so well on the message boards because people often have trouble detecting it's tone...

This video deserves so many more votes!

"Of course it’s company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo... always use the indefinite article a dildo, never ... your dildo."

Hahaha best line in the whole movie.

In reply to this comment by garmachi:
There must be something cylindrical in that box to keep its center of gravity shifting at a rate equal to the upward velocity of that incline.

In other words, a dildo.

(We never say your dildo... just a dildo...)

Shhh Shhh Shhh Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don't worry. Everything is going to be just fine. These things are very complicated and thinking will give you wrinkles. Just rest assured everything is the way it should be. Hey, is that a cute kitten clip over there?

- The Endless Joy Foundation

Okay, at least we agree on the fact that she shouldn't receive death threats for the mistakes she made.
In your first comment I really felt you meant she deserved everything that was coming her way, no matter how nasty.

Also, I did go to Encyclopedia Dramatica and read the article. I'm not sure what the source is for the nudity, it said she almost showed her boobs or something and that she posted naked pics of herself. Regarding the sources in this story I don't regard either side as very believable. It is for example unclear if she really did receive death threats according to ED.

Something I cannot agree with is some kind of justification that as long as she clicked away a warning she was free game for any tactics from anyone that didn't like her. Imagine in real life if I put up a sign that said "warning: passing this door gets your raped" and then someone crossed the door anyway and I raped them. Would I then when the police showed up be able to say: "Hey, she read the sign, she voided her rights to object to being raped the minute she passed my door". And yes, she made provocative statements etc, but to use the disclaimer as a shield for whatever consequences it brings on the girl... it just doesn't hold up.

Contacting the child services would be the right thing to do, and as I see it was done, her parents do not seem to be protecting their daughter well enough and certainly don't seem very bright, but then going on and trying to make an 11-year old cry, that's just weak somehow.

There is of course the argument that the lulz make everything permisable. So in a way, there is a mentality where the more harm comes to the victim, the more lulz are to be made. Suggesting that she commit suicide was apparently 2nd on some "further trolling" list, and both you and I know it would certainly be considered a huge success for the trolls if they managed to convince the girl to take her life. There would be plenty of lulz indeed. I find this utterly beyond contempt.

To me it seems most people on 4chan (I guess /b/ would be the main culprit here) don't do stuff because they want to correct the behaviour of someone, but simply because they are bored and want something fun to occupy their time with. Forming a mob and making someone cry or be humiliated passes time. 4chan doesn't care about this girl or any other girl. They have used her for amusement, and will continue until she dies or hides or they find something else more interesting. In the end their motto and their actions do not amount to something I can respect or admire the way I feel some do.

In the end as you point out, they cannot be stopped. But I feel sorry for the girl and I don't think she or anyone else in her situation deserves to go through what she did however stupid she is. Posting that she deserves everything 4chan can muster against her, as you seemed to be doing in your original post, doesn't sit very well with me, but from your response at least you seem to draw the limit far sooner than others.

Pardon the wall of text.

In reply to this comment by Tymbrwulf:
Ok well I'll tell you this, I was on the site the week that this all blew out of proportion, I was following it from nearly the beginning when almost every single thread on the anonymous imageboard had something to do with this girl. For the details that I did miss, they are described in http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Jessi_Slaughter, giving the ENTIRE backstory, development of the imageboard's reaction, and the back-and-forth between the girl/her parents and this imageboard as well as police involvement etc. It's been documented down to the specific dates of what happened when.

Another point I have to make is that the imageboard she was posting on is an 18 and over ONLY board. If you want access to this board you have to agree to the disclaimer written as follows:

"By entering this section of the website, in exchange for use of this website, you the user hereby agree to the following:
1. The content of this website is for mature viewers only and may not be suitable for minors. If you are a minor or it is illegal for you to view nudity or mature images and language, do not proceed.
2. This site is presented to you AS IS, with no warranty, express or implied. By clicking "I Agree" and then viewing our site, you agree not to hold the webmaster and staff of this site (4chan.org) liable for any damages from your use of these boards.
3. As a condition of using this site, you must fully understand, and comply with the rules of 4chan.org, which may be located by following the "Rules" link on the home page.

Now do I personally feel that she deserved death threats? No, but apparently someone else on the internet does. Can I stop them? Absolutely not. That is the danger of revealing yourself on an anonymous imageboard. For some further information, there has never, EVER been an actual murder occur as a direct effect of this imageboard's actions(unlike Craigslist, but people don't seem to have a problem with using that do they?)

Do I think she should be humiliated? She did some pretty stupid things, and now she's reaping the consequences of her actions. Actions that INCLUDED posting pictures of herself NAKED (this girl is 11, remember that). Not only did "Anonymous" humiliate and harass her, they called child services on the parents because the parents have no idea what the hell this girl is doing on the internet, exposing herself, etc. These pictures will haunt her for the REST of her life, and I think she finally realized that in the end, when it was already too late. They will never go away, especially now that she's made national news.

I'm not saying I didn't make mistakes when I was 11, but I never made mistakes of this kind of magnitude. You have to understand that the power of anonymity allows a person to go beyond their moral standings and become the "asshole" that was described in the thread discussion. They don't forget, they don't forgive. It's seriously in their motto:
We are Anonymous.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
Some users take this more to heart than others, and these are the consequences you see before you.

To answer your final questions I'll tell you that what she did wrong was feed the internet trolls. She fed them, then she provoked them, and she was dumb enough to post pictures of herself nude while she was at it.

Does she deserve everything that she is getting? It's not something I would do personally, but I know that if I would do anything similar to what she's done, I would suffer the same consequences, if not worse. That is the mistake she made, the mistake of unwittingly putting her information out to the internet, a public forum, a place where whatever you put lasts forever. She was too young to know the difference, and now it's too late to stop it.

The founder of the website has the 18+ disclaimer there for a reason, because people younger than that don't realize what kind of implications their actions might have. She's the one that didn't listen to it and went ahead and became involved, and then? Well... then... age doesn't really matter does it? Everything is for the lulz, and I can assure you, Anonymous is laughing.

In reply to this comment by chtierna:
I think the standard is "innocent until proven guilty", so I'm more curious how you justify that she deserved to have death threats aimed against her and to be humiliated by thousands of people online. She said some stupid stuff, she maybe even did some stupid stuff, and you call for blood.

I'm sorry but you just saying that the fact that she is 11 doesn't factor into it doesn't quite cut it for me. Maybe you never made a mistake when you were 11, shit maybe you thought things through as clearly as any other adult, I know I didn't, and I also know I wouldn't want to have my mistakes blown up for everyone to see and judge. People make mistakes, and wiser people forgive them. I think there are better ways to learn how you're supposed to behave than getting harassed.

In the end I want to ask you a question. How far would you like to take it? How much punishment do you think that she deserves? Do you think it would be okay if she was driven to suicide? Or if she got hospitalized for cracking under the pressure. Would that satisfy you?