Requeued Rot
I did an unscientific study, from the 30 videos I see on my sifted page right now. Twenty times the *requeue action was needed to get a clip out of the queue. Some of the videos were *requeued more than once.
I requeue periodically, but before the last update I rarely needed too, without question my subs got published 90% of the time. Since the latest update it's down to about 20%. If I don't requeue they usually die quick.
If you leave every single clip in the queue long enough eventually 10 people will vote. The longer in the queue the more votes, the current system rewards those who are quick enough to requeue their submissions. Was that the intention of the new system or just a side effect?
I requeue periodically, but before the last update I rarely needed too, without question my subs got published 90% of the time. Since the latest update it's down to about 20%. If I don't requeue they usually die quick.
If you leave every single clip in the queue long enough eventually 10 people will vote. The longer in the queue the more votes, the current system rewards those who are quick enough to requeue their submissions. Was that the intention of the new system or just a side effect?
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Not all requeues are separated by 48 hours. I usually time them to occur at high traffic times (as often as every 12 hours), since my own anecdotal evidence suggests most people are using the "sort by newest" option. I think the shorter queue has leveled the playing field a little bit, but yeah, it does require greater diligence.
To reiterate what others have said, mandatory requeueing devalues the action of voting. It shifts the decision of what gets sifted from the user base to the poster. I know that it can be individually satisfying to decide which of your videos gets attention, but I don't see it helping the site in the long run.
edit: Case in point. (Not singling out schmawy, just noting that unlimited requeues are a bit ridiculous.)
edit 2: Can this thread be stickied? There needn't be 10 sift talk threads on the same topic in a week.
*suspense film voice-over...
"First, there was queue rot, then, it got Too BAD TO TAKE!!!!"
NOW! THEN! It sits and WAITS!"
*unscientific study
...multiple bonghits
Feds' right, the ultimate and only benefit if yer so inclined, comes from you being there to requeue it....I say it's tied together with their grovlin' fer money scheme...still cheaper than Scientology....
Short and simple, the Queue has serious issues. I think it's time to think way outside the box on how to make it run smoother.
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I agree that it needs some improvement. I'll post something later this week to solicit ideas on a fix up.
Lucky just implemented a major improvement to the queue about 30 hours ago. It needs to be fixed so the hide option is a sticky preference, but let's give it a chance to work.
Given that it's not a "high visibility" change, maybe a talk post announcing the "hide videos you have viewed" option encouraging folks to use it will would be useful?
Is that really going to make that much of a difference? The issue I have is that the same videos seem to just sit on the front page of unsifted for ages, and they may well be ones I don't want to watch at all, so they won't go away by ticking the hide videos option.
I am often quite amazed by those videos that do get published vs. those that don't.
>> ^spoco2:
Is that really going to make that much of a difference? The issue I have is that the same videos seem to just sit on the front page of unsifted for ages, and they may well be ones I don't want to watch at all, so they won't go away by ticking the hide videos option.
You only need to click the show video link or open the post in another tab (even in the background) to register a view. Now, if everyone started doing that, every post will have lots of unique views and the votes/views ratios for all vids will be very small, and the differences will also be very small. I'm optimistic that could really help level the playing field for all vids (regardless of when submitted, by whom, etc.) and improve the queue experience overall. Obviously, whether it works like that or not remains to be seen. You may very well be right that it doesn't help that much. Either way, I know I like having my view of the queue only be a few pages.
I am often quite amazed by those videos that do get published vs. those that don't.
Aren't we all!
The requeue is really annoying.. the optimal strategy is to wait until the last minute and requeue - so it stays on top of the expiring list. My bikini inspector was in that position. Having to track expiration times etc. makes it a crazy time sink..I gave up day trading for a reason.
Yes, something serious needs to be done about queue times, requeue periods, and requeue limits.
Necro *quality.
Awarding Fedquip with one star point for this contribution to Sift Talk - declared quality by CaptWillard.
requeue made sense as it was when I first joined: it was a way for a privileged someone (besides the poster, I think) to give a video another chance.
Recently it was decided to halve queue times, but simultaneously grant unlimited requeues thereby making queue time limits irrelevant because anything can be kept in the queue indefinitely... unless you have a job to go to or kids to take care of.
I've submitted 2 videos since then, both at the same time. They both died in the queue on day 4 because I was running late for work and didn't have time to requeue that morning. I've since decided that I won't be doing any sifting until the rules change. I don't need a second job; especially not one which doesn't pay anything.
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