With 86 - er, 87! channels (sic!)
(see the list here: http://www.videosift.com/talk/Personal-Top-Channels-update-what-kind-of-sifter-are-you )
we do indeed need to be able to have at least 9 channels (+ - one tenth of the total)

What I would much rather see, is to keep the 7(or is it 8 now?) channel max and clean up the channels we have. Some channels are clearly a subset of others, and for these it would be obvious that the sift should be in both - for instance

music { livemusic, rocknroll, metal, jazz, hiphop }
1sttube { latenight }
religion { cult, islam }
comedy { woohoo }
politics { law, election08 }

wtf { asia } ( )

and we have themes

countries/geography { asia, british, canada, downunder }
time {vintage, 80s, timeshift, election08, history, future }

I think I saw joedirt do a pretty good overview of these in a post earlier.

My point is that I really don't think that just allowing more channels is a good solution, because it increases the complexity for the viewer in the end. A reduction or organization of the existing channels would be better, and could also make it better for future channels.

Yes, I'd be for categorization..
http://www.videosift.com/talk/Channel-Roll-Call#comment-402883
this could even decrease the max number of channels..

I would not extend it because it's introducing too much complexity and you might as well have a bunch of tags. We shouldn't undermine channels as a primary filter of content by overusing them.

One thing that bugs me now is that since we have channels covering types of music do we really need the Music channel assigned to those videos? That would save one slot.

I don't think we need to reduce the number of channels. I don't think it increases complexity for the user. Sorry, gwiz, but I don't find Law and Politics confusing, nor 1sttube and Latenight, etc. It just isn't that complicated, really. I know some will say that some channels are worthless, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean we should eliminate someone's channel because of it.

Maybe 8 or 9 channels would be good. I notice that PornBumper has something like 9 or 10 maximum channel assignments, so I'm assuming we could do the same here. Umm, I mean gwiz told me there were 9 or 10 channel assigments there. Yeah, that's the ticket.

To address Deano's point, I don't think eliminating the Music channel is a good idea. There are too many videos here that don't fit neatly into our five musical genre tags:

rocknroll
metal
jazz
bravo
hiphop

Even if we included Wildwestshow for country music, that's still not enough to cover all of our musical bases. Where would reggae go? Or theremin music? Or any experimental instruments, such as tesla coils? Or just plain old acoustic folk music?

Music definitely needs to stay, IMHO.

I like the channels, and lots of em, I understand there still needs to be the manpower to manage them but I know there are tons we are missing...

Health, Toys, 90s, Robots, Electronica, Fashion, Africa, Arctic, Boats, Europe, Poetry, Violence, Manipulation, Computers, Illusion, Education, Country, Punk, BodyParts, Psychology, Latin, Mashup, PSA.

http://asia.videosift.com/talk/Needed-Channels-What-do-you-want-to-see

I don't mind the idea of having a sub-catagory hyerarchy, it may help us to organise them better - But don't start eliminating...

>> ^kronosposeidon:
To address Deano's point, I don't think eliminating the Music channel is a good idea. There are too many videos here that don't fit neatly into our five musical genre tags:
rocknroll
metal
jazz
bravo
hiphop
Even if we included Wildwestshow for country music, that's still not enough to cover all of our musical bases. Where would reggae go? Or theremin music? Or any experimental instruments, such as tesla coils? Or just plain old acoustic folk music?
Music definitely needs to stay, IMHO.


That's not what Deano said. The point made was that if a music video already fits in a certain musical channel, then it should not be necessary to also add a music label to it. For instance, you submit a classical music video, so you put it in the bravo channel and possibly the livemusic channel; if the video already has those 2 musical channels, why bother adding it to the music channel and waste one slot that could be used to describe another characteristic of such video?

at least that's how I am reading that post.

Well, I don't want them out and out removed at all, but every single video that goes into any of the music channels, will every time be in music too, so my point is that in all of those cases the actual music channel is redundant.

Exactly what mauz15 said.

On the other side, there are definitely channels that ought to be made 90s, 00s, 10s to round out the timeline, but these could be a special channel apart, so you always had to add a "date of birth" if possible.

Europe is another one in a series, and music has many more sub-genres that need representin'.

And then there's the many one-of potentials like Body/medicine, and all of those sagemind listed.

I don't want to remove, just organize... we have 8-fucking-7 channels, which is a lot to sort in your mind when submitting, so a bit of organizing would be super.

Videosift 4.0, perhaps?

Like wot mauz15 said I wouldn't want to lose Music just use it where it's needed and where an existing music channel has not been assigned. For example, some one performing reggae would be Music because there isn't a Reggae channel.

I just want to say that I completely agree that the channels need to be organized somehow, because submitting a video and staring at that gigantic wall of channels can be a bit intimidating, particularly for new users (especially since so many of the channels are ambiguously named).

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Some good ideas here. We're looking at the way we display and organise channels for the 4.0 release- and we'll take this into consideration.

My mistake, Deano. I misunderstood you. Looks like I picked a bad day to quit roofies.

^I don't know what a roofie is but it sounds fun.

>> ^mauz15:
That's not what Deano said. The point made was that if a music video already fits in a certain musical channel, then it should not be necessary to also add a music label to it. For instance, you submit a classical music video, so you put it in the bravo channel and possibly the livemusic channel; if the video already has those 2 musical channels, why bother adding it to the music channel and waste one slot that could be used to describe another characteristic of such video?
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Because theoretically, someone might want to spend an evening perusing the Music channel for any new music added to the Sift. Additonally, if a music video is not in the Music channel, it could fuck up searches. Say that you're using the advanced search to search for videos only in the Music channel. Any video placed in for instance Bravo only would not show up, which would defeat the purpose of your search.

^I suppose it comes back to the notion of having some sort of hierarchy so that searching for Music automatically includes the sub-channels. But maybe Music doesn't count against the channel limit for a video. Or something. I'm getting confused now.