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Progressive Dems To Clinton: This Race isn't Over

MilkmanDan says...

I think it depends on how you define "worse". I believe that Hillary is capable of being the shadowy, sleazy politician that knows the corrupt system, knows how to use/abuse it, and is 100% willing to bend it to her own goals.

Trump is a largely incompetent blowhard. He, like Hillary, says what he thinks he has to say to get the support of his base, and then flip-flops to suit his purposes. He isn't a Washington insider, he doesn't have the network of connections that Hillary does.

If Trump could be another Bush, Hillary could be another Nixon. I'm not convinced that Hillary is the lesser of two evils here.

And that's still working under the assumption that Trump would be as bad as Bush. Bush was bad, but without Dick Cheney and Karl Rove whispering in his ear, maybe he'd have been a merely incompetent president instead of a terrible one. For all the negative things that I think can fairly be said of Trump, I don't think that he's very likely to become someone's sock puppet like Bush.

I'm definitely not sure that Trump would be better than Hillary (for whatever definition of "better" one chooses), but I don't think it is cut and dry to the point of delusion for someone to see either of them as the bigger threat.

ChaosEngine said:

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But above all, you cannot elect Trump. If you really think he wouldn't be worse than Hillary, then I'm sorry, but you're fucking delusional.
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Progressive Dems To Clinton: This Race isn't Over

Sepacore says...

Hillary is the most consistent liar and has most inconsistently held positions (flip-flop) in US candidate history. It doesn't take much time to research this with as few words such as "Clinton lies" or "Clinton fraud" on YouTube.

There's plenty of short video's of compilations &/or speeches pointing out her pathological lies for those who just can't be arsed spending too much time actually looking into the matter.

For those who genuinely give a shit (or say they do), there are well detailed documentaries going into scary detail of just how unreliable and empty her words are, and always have been, for the sole reason that she (proven time and time again) says whatever she thinks is 'opinion-poll' best at the time, regardless of what she's said yesterday or will say tomorrow.

I hope Bernie somehow wins it, as he's the only decent human as a candidate. Although Trump may not be an ideal option for many, some of his shit wouldn't fly and you at least get a reliable direction of his intent.

Hilary is a fraudulent, power hungry pathological liar lacking consistency, who has more experience and skill in shadow politics than any candidate of recent history.

How can so many refer to her as the lesser of 2 evils, when none of you legitimately know what her positions are, as even experts state it can't be known from what she's said or done.

Sounds more like some of you are prepared to vote out of prejudices against Reps. Blind loyalty is pretending you know what you're doing, when you don't really care about the issue.

How Likely Is A Hillary Clinton Indictment?

RFlagg says...

I have an admitted bias towards Sanders, but the fact he leads by larger numbers in all polls against Trump, even Fox's poll, I think speaks volumes about where the voting public is at. They want an outsider.

If they think that Trump's, apparent fascism will turn voters to Hilary, they are mis-reading the voting public. What is more likely to happen is voter apathy, especially among independent voters if there's even a hint of real controversy coming out just in time for the general election. Democratic turn out keeps going down, so they can't count on their base to make it up. Also, Trump has already started to change his tone, to bring down his rhetoric to appeal to the general populous. If they think they'll stick a flip-flop label to him, it won't stick. Trump is on a whole other level in the public mind for some reason.

This election is too important to let the Republicans win and I don't know if they get that or don't care because Trump has donated tons in the past to them so they are willing to take a chance with him in. We'll lose what little respect in the world that we managed to gain since Bush's wars that Obama built back up. We'll lose our bids for the Olympics and World Cup, both of which are heavily in our favor at the moment, but a Trump presidency, at least at current rhetoric levels, would turn the voting committees off, and might turn them off even if he tones the no Muslims can visit, bit off. The very perception of hate in this nation will turn them off vetting us when there are other qualified bids. Then there's the Supreme Court vacancy, it would be great to throw back the fact they wouldn't vet the moderate they asked for by name, and have a liberal as a President and take back over the Senate in one election and get a far more liberal nominee passed, at the going rate we may continue to have a court leaning to the right if Trump wins.

Would Sanders get to push much of any of his agenda? No. The Republicans and even many Democrats would push back. Congress will continue to be deadlocked against the President like it is against Obama, perhaps to even higher levels. But it will move the conversation. The fact that he wins period would show where the American public actually wants to go.

I'm seriously concerned about what's going on. It's like they want to give the presidency to Trump.

MilkmanDan said:

Drudge is boasting about a Reuters rolling poll:
Clinton 41.3%
Trump 40.0%


If there is *anything* to be found from that email server that is even remotely scandalous, I don't think it would be hard for Trump to pick up a 1.3% swing. Cenk's right -- why the hell doesn't the democrat establishment seem even mildly concerned about this?

Susan Sarandon Broke Up With Hillary

newtboy says...

These Hillary people now just ignore all her hypocritical flip flopping, never ending pandering, and bribes from billionaires and corporations and claim she's the 'better candidate'....Delusional morons ignoring fraud, bribes, a complete lack of consistency ("I supported $15 an hour...My plan is to raise minimum wages to $12 an hour...I support $15 an hour"), illegal fundraising collusion with the DNC, and a likely indictment on multiple counts right before the election (improper or not), and add to that the second worst 'likeability' rating ever to the list of things that must be ignored to make her palatable and a total lack of support among independents, and yet they're still assuming that people that support an honest candidate will just support her...that's just plain retarded...we won't.
Clinton as the nominee means Trump as president.

EDIT: If Bernie can really get Warren to run as his VP, he might still take the win outright. I really wish they had gotten together and hashed that out long ago, we could be working on the general election by now.
I also really wish they would both run as independents, not beholding to either party, since neither major party represents the people anymore.

robdot said:

These bernie people now just repeat fox news ,tea party nonsense. She forgot to say benghazi...Delusional morons ranting about fraud and conspiracy theories.
Hillary has a time machine ! Which she used to change the numbers ! Bernie can still win ! If he gets 100 percent of california !

TV hosts not composed during interview with robbery heroes

RFlagg says...

So a "plugger" is what we in the US, at least this part of the US, call flip-flops... thongs brings to mind string underwear...

Not sure what he said with what sort of gym he goes to. Obviously some sort of funny thing given the reaction.... NVM, apparently Jim Bean.

Full translations here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/42rsoa/the_2_aussies_that_took_the_car_keys_out_of/czcsugb though some of it, especially the fishing team that he suggested will get him new pluggers is NSFW.

Aussie blokes thwart thieves during robbery

Asmo says...

I love my country.

ps. Though already legendary, they would have scored bonus points if they had "thonged" (aka whacked the shit out of someone with a thong.. or a 'flip flop' as it's so quaintly called) the little buggers... =)

Aussie blokes thwart thieves during robbery

JustSaying jokingly says...

So, that's what australian Batman looks like?
Not surprised. If I grew up in a country that is designed to kill humans, I'd need the lack of protection of broken Flip-flops to feel the thrill of vigilante justice too.

Aussie blokes thwart thieves during robbery

Hillary Clinton’s Biggest Scandal Yet

bobknight33 says...

Funny bit,

She such a fraud.

She better pray Bernie or another Dem gets in else is Orange Jumpsuit and flip flops for her.


Oh that right the Democrat party platform took out GOD from their platform at the last convention held in Charlotte Nc..

She is screwed, by her own making.

That's Close Enough

HEROES REBORN | Official Trailer

Esoog says...

Absolutely correct. Which is why this surprises me so much, that they are basically continuing the storyline. But maybe they wrote in enough time separation, that they can rehash things? Still, the first Heroes series started so freakin well, I loved that show. Then it just flopped and almost became unwatchable.

I REALLY hope this is good. I want to like it! But I'm surprised so many of the old characters are back. I hope thats a good thing and not a bad thing.

artician said:

Didn't the first one kind of fall on its face due to terrible writing?

Mom Whoops Son For Throwing Rocks At Baltimore Police

GenjiKilpatrick says...

again.. shut your friggin' mouth.

You can't have it both ways.

If you saw that kid smashing shit, you'd call him a thug.

But because is mother actually gives a fuck about him, you complain that the democrats are suppressing the masses with too much regulation.

You're a laughing stock Bob, go away please.

You should feel bad about your flip flopping hypocrisy

bobknight33 said:

It's l OK to whoop you kid in front of a crowd as long as they are protesting against cops.

In this stupid society she would be in jail for domestic violence assault.

Chinese People Try Panda Express For The First Time

lucky760 says...

So interesting how some of them find some dishes so yummy and authentic while others are the opposite then they flip-flop on different dishes.

They must be from different parts of China I'd imagine. I'm really surprised that any of the older folks like any of it; I didn't expect that.

Unsurprisingly, the young bucks seem to all be too eager to bash on everything saying how inauthentic it is.

*promote

The Little Engine That Couldn't

newtboy says...

I've been thinking about this, and I came to the conclusion that reversing up the hill would have ended in fail as well, not because the motor couldn't pull it up (although possible if the gearing is different), but because it's a 3 wheeler and if you put too much weight on the single wheel it will flop over sideways the instant it goes off center/balance.
I don't get why the passenger didn't help by pushing just enough to keep the front wheel on the ground. His getting out hurt more than it helped.

notarobot said:

He just had to turn around and reverse up the hill....

Megyn Kelly on Fox: "Some things do require Big Brother"

ChaosEngine says...

Irrelevant. Hilary and Obama were wrong. I'm not sure if they've changed their minds since then. Hopefully, they have. Changing your mind in the face of new information is not "flip-flopping" or a sign of weakness.

Only idiots and religions refuse to change their minds in the face of new information.

Meanwhile, what Hillary, Obama or any of the potential GOP candidates think about vaccines doesn't change the science one iota.

lantern53 said:

Not that long ago both Hillary and Obama were against vaccinations because they thought it contributed to autism.

Unfortunately there is no vaccination for what ails them.



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