Don't Slap Romanian Cops

Sanpaul, Mures, Romania, on 02/15/2010:

A cop is called in due to a fight between two teachers. The teacher in the video has had multiple complaints against her of aggressiveness by other teachers and students.

She maintains that she's innocent and the other teachers are aggressive against her, and she's being discriminated against. What happens next doesn't exactly put her in a good light.

Here's a translation of what is being said.

Extra commentary at a Romanian news site here.
ravermansays...

Think of the cost and court time if minor offensives could be punished with, no batons or beatings - but a well regulated single open handed slap to the face.

- Driving without your child in a seat-belt? Slap to the face.
- Drunk and underage? Slap to the face.
- Petty Shoplifting? Slap to the face.

choggiesays...

No reports filed, no unnecessary paperwork-ok system- The guys a fucking cock for slapping the woman back and has obviously not been properly audited by a senior member yet.

A translation would be helpful in determining his decision to react abruptly rather than respond appropriately...and also to meet with his parents in order to determine imprint deniability.

Zyrxilsays...

Here's a translation from here. It's actually for the lo
nger news video
which is this video with a few extra minutes.

N - newscaster
T - teacher
P - police officer

The scene opens up, with the teacher's hand on the cop's torso.

T: Why do you want to put your hands on me?
P: I don't want to ma'am. (unsure of this) What have I done to you? [he walks out of the doorway to get some distance, not taking his eyes off her]
T: You put your hands on me a few times
P: Don't pull me. Be careful... [as they walk out and, I'm assuming she pulls his jacket/arm (view is blocked by his torso). He deflects her arm by grabbing it and pushing it to the left.]
T: [with her now free arm, she backhands the cop and says] Get the hell out of here or I'll slap the shit out of you! (Note: she doesn't curse, but that's about the closest translation I can come up with that conveys in English the true sentiment behind the words. The literal translation is "Go away from here because I will give you such a slap that you will not see yourself." See, it's just not the same Smile)
P: Ioooooooi. (A Romanian exclamation that conveys, in this case, "Oh no she didn't!") [Cop puts his glasses on. Queue Won't Get Fooled Again by The Who.]
T: Why are you putting your hands on me repeatedly? Why? (Or "a hundred times" to quote her exactly") [Teacher stands her ground, looking furious and aggrieved.]
P: [slaps the teacher]
T: [gasps! Puts her hand on her face, looking shocked. Starts a fake (at least to me it sounds fake) cry.]
T: [walks away crying, raises her arm slightly]
P: [flinches at the threat of another possible slap. Grabs the teacher's arm.]
T: [wails something intelligibly, possibly about gypsies]
[old batiked woman woman opens door of another classroom and says something about this having to stop]

N: The protagonists of this fight are a teacher and a police officer, and the scene is the school in Sanpaul from the county Mures. The two representatives of the state institutions started quarreling and exchanging slaps in front of cameras and in a place with children. (Oh noes, think of the children!!) The police officer had been called to settle a conflict in which the teacher was implicated, after several parents [cue scene of angry-looking parents in a wintry scene] from the town of Sanpaul had accused the teacher of being aggressive towards the other teaching staff. The angered professor also lunged at the reporter from Antena 3 (the channel broadcasting this). [Cue scene with teacher pushing jacketed and scarfed man]

Reporter: We have it on camera.
T: Good. (something intelligible) [Angrily] So I'll push you as he's pushing me!!

N: The parents of some children are unhappy that the teacher is violent in school.

[cue angry parents shouting angrily, not at aaaaaall angry like the teacher]

Woman in white, shouting: What kind of example is this for children, tell me!

[cut to head of police in the area]

Head: Madam teacher was here at the police precinct. She said that she was slapped by another teacher. She will go to the forensic expert and she will file a complaint.

N: The teacher is defending herself and maintains that she is the one who is being aggressed by her colleagues.

T: [very serene and nonchalant] It was about discrimination. I'm very sorry for the incident, but I didn't aggress any teacher. Everything was planned. (As in, this was done to make her look bad.)

N: The Education Minister has started an administrative inquisition in the case of the teacher, and sanctions can be as grave as excluding her from teaching. And as far as the police man who slapped her is concerned, authorities have declined to respond.


There's no question she's nuts. Whether the cop should've done what he is is the only debatable point, though he did stun her enough to get her to stop her crap without any kind of tasering or true physical force. In another vid, she gets called up by a TV show for an interview and basically denies hitting anyone even though it was caught on camera, and then starts yelling at the host for not letting her talk. That vid is here, but nothing to see since it's just a video of a phone call. Translation for it is a good read though, which is here.

blankfistsays...

I was raised not to hit women. In my core I think it's wrong, though I think it's a terribly biased and arcane belief. Once in high school during a breakup my ex-girlfriend started wailing on me and trying desperately to kick me in the nuts. I wanted to defend myself, but felt I couldn't outside of trying to catch her arms before they hit me.

I think in the deep recesses of my mind, I watch this and feel some sense of perverted justice for all the times a girl was violent against me and I felt I couldn't retaliate.

Also, how many times has a woman put your ass in danger by mouthing off to some dude? And all of a sudden you have to fight to defend her honor or some crazy archaic primal bullshit like that.

ToKeyMonsTeRsays...

>> ^Heartspark:
Waiting for the..<insert standard internet reply of how cops are all bad from some bonehead>



A reply like this 1?

At least this pig didn't beat the shit out of her/tase her/ or fucking kill her like other pigs have done. I'd rather get slapped in the face than tased repeatedly or shot for doing MUCH less.

Shepppardsays...

>> ^blankfist:
I was raised not to hit women. In my core I think it's wrong, though I think it's a terribly biased and arcane belief. Once in high school during a breakup my ex-girlfriend started wailing on me and trying desperately to kick me in the nuts. I wanted to defend myself, but felt I couldn't outside trying to catch her arms before they hit me.
I think in the deep recesses of my mind, I watch this and feel some sense of perverted justice for all the times a girl was violent against me and I felt I couldn't retaliate.
Also, how many times has a woman put your ass in danger by mouthing off to some dude? And all of a sudden you have to fight to defend her honor or some crazy archaic primal bullshit like that.


I was raised the same way, but whenever something like that happened to me, I found the best possible way to resolve the situation (And I actually mean this in all seriousness)

Was a hug.

After a few seconds of taking a hit or two, I'd grab an arm, spin them so their back was to me and hold their arms in a "Hug" type of stance.

It was almost an instant de-escalator. They're either forced to talk about why they were taking swings at me in the first place, or too embarrassed to keep going because they got beat by a hug.

In this situation mind you, I don't think the hug would go so well.

blankfistsays...

>> ^Shepppard:
I was raised the same way, but whenever something like that happened to me, I found the best possible way to resolve the situation (And I actually mean this in all seriousness)
Was a hug.
After a few seconds of taking a hit or two, I'd grab an arm, spin them so their back was to me and hold their arms in a "Hug" type of stance.
It was almost an instant de-escalator. They're either forced to talk about why they were taking swings at me in the first place, or too embarrassed to keep going because they got beat by a hug.
In this situation mind you, I don't think the hug would go so well.



And while their back is to you and you've got them in your death grip, you calmly whisper into their ear: "I'm gonna rape you until the room stinks."

NaMeCaFsays...

Jesus blankfist, I just spat coffee all over my screen with a bout of uncontrollable laughter.

I know it's wrong to laugh about shit like rape, but that quote was hilarious.

Carry on...

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^Shepppard:
I was raised the same way, but whenever something like that happened to me, I found the best possible way to resolve the situation (And I actually mean this in all seriousness)
Was a hug.
After a few seconds of taking a hit or two, I'd grab an arm, spin them so their back was to me and hold their arms in a "Hug" type of stance.
It was almost an instant de-escalator. They're either forced to talk about why they were taking swings at me in the first place, or too embarrassed to keep going because they got beat by a hug.
In this situation mind you, I don't think the hug would go so well.


And while their back is to you and you've got them in your death grip, you calmly whisper into their ear: "I'm gonna rape you until the room stinks."

FlowersInHisHairsays...

I can see why people say that the woman got what she deserved, but I can't approve of the police officer's actions here. It doesn't look to me as though he acted out of self-defence, but of anger. His slap is one of revenge or punishment, which it is most definitely not a police officer's duty to administer. He should have the training to deal with situations like this without resorting to violence. I'm not saying that police officers should just stand there and take it, but there are steps they can take to prevent attacks without resorting to violence of their own, espeically in low-danger situations like this one: given his size and training I would've thought this officer could have put handcuffs on her very easily if he wanted to protect himself from another slap.

Of course I'm not saying that she should just get away with slapping police officers, but the officer's duty after the slap should have been to arrest her for it, not administer justice on his own behalf.

There's a reason why police officers are not permitted to dispense summary punishments at the scene like this, Raverman. A lapse in judgement might result in an innocent person being slapped, and that would be a miscarriage of justice equivalent to sending someone to prison for a crime they didn't commit - in the same way you can't give someone back the time they spent in prison if they are later found innocent, you can't undo the slap if evidence other than the police officer's assessment of the 'crime' (say, CCTV) proves the 'offender' innocent. And that is why we spend time and money putting people through the legal procedure to determine guilt or innocence before we punish them, it's not perfect even then, but it would be worse if we had police officers slapping everyone they see dropping litter or having an argument.

AmateurDsays...

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
His slap is one of revenge or punishment, which it is most definitely not a police officer's duty to administer.

Unless you live in Romania, you can't make this assumption. What we consider is the job of policemen may or may not be what they believe it to be. It's a whole different culture. She wasn't harmed in any meaningful way, and she got compliant pretty damn quick in a hurry.

Not that I condone that kind of action to get a suspect to comply with police, but after the woman hit first, against a police officer, and one wearing glasses no less, and in lieu of a rolled up newspaper in arms reach, I'd probably let that one slide.

Winstonfield_Pennypackersays...

Not being Romanian I am going off of USA rules. But the SECOND you attack a cop, your butt is going to jail. Assaulting a police officer - be it with a bottle of beer, a slap, or even hitsies is grounds for immediate cuffing & jailing should the officer be so inclined.

Now - given the choice between taking a slap to the face and getting arrested, I rather think a lot of people would take the slap. From what I've heard about Romanian jails maybe this woman would agree.

Porksandwichsays...

We can't know for sure, but this particular police officer may have been involved in dealing with this teacher before and just tired of her antics. I think having children seeing her slapped, versus having her throw to the ground, tasered, sprayed, or the various other things they could have done to her is best scenario. In fact I'd say that the officer taking the hit and letting her continue being irate would be the worse, letting the kids know that they can throw a fit and get away with it.

And because it's a man hitting a woman situation, just change the situation around. Teacher is a man, police officer is a woman. Or both are women/men. If teacher was a man slapping a female police officer, she probably would have acted much more severely (more to prove and not expected to take that stuff like a man would). Two men, if they were slapping then we'd be having a discussion about their sexual preference. If it were two women, it probably wouldn't even have been posted or news worthy.

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. So you slap someone, expect it back...you earned it.

Lawdeedawsays...

That would solve a lot of religious hatred. But most people in turbans and those thumping bibles wouldn't be as grownup as you.

>> ^Shepppard:
>> ^blankfist:
I was raised not to hit women. In my core I think it's wrong, though I think it's a terribly biased and arcane belief. Once in high school during a breakup my ex-girlfriend started wailing on me and trying desperately to kick me in the nuts. I wanted to defend myself, but felt I couldn't outside trying to catch her arms before they hit me.
I think in the deep recesses of my mind, I watch this and feel some sense of perverted justice for all the times a girl was violent against me and I felt I couldn't retaliate.
Also, how many times has a woman put your ass in danger by mouthing off to some dude? And all of a sudden you have to fight to defend her honor or some crazy archaic primal bullshit like that.

I was raised the same way, but whenever something like that happened to me, I found the best possible way to resolve the situation (And I actually mean this in all seriousness)
Was a hug.
After a few seconds of taking a hit or two, I'd grab an arm, spin them so their back was to me and hold their arms in a "Hug" type of stance.
It was almost an instant de-escalator. They're either forced to talk about why they were taking swings at me in the first place, or too embarrassed to keep going because they got beat by a hug.
In this situation mind you, I don't think the hug would go so well.

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