It is funny that Israel is the "democracy" in the middle east that every other nation there is supposed to emulate. It's ironic that opposition to Israel has helped fuel the Arab Spring.

its funny how the enemy of freedom and better countries in the modern world is not external forces and nations. Its dumb fucks within countries that don't educate them-selfs and don't know history and don't have basic resoining skills.

always seems to be that the most patriotic people are the most stupid and in realty have the most detrimental effect on the building of a good nation.

The israeli state is a fucking joke.

its quite easy to find photographs of nazi's interacting with jews that look almost identical to israelis interacting with palestinians.


i had a nice collection when i got stoned one night. dogs on leashes barking at old people. checkpoints. jackboots vs peasant clothes.

pretty freakin obvious

I saw a good louis theroux documentary in israel/palestine. He once filmed a bunch of - i think non-jewish, might have been a christian organisation - americans who'd arrived in the country and were making monetary donations and offering free labour to jews who were settling illegally in palestine.

I was like - oh, that's why the west isn't getting involved. It'd piss enough people off to make winning the next election difficult.

Seriously, if religion wasn't so intertwined with this area of land no-one would care & certainly no-one would kill for it or be killed because of it. its barren tradition, superstition & ideology that keeps this feud going & if it were removed they would see that they're fighting for undesirable 'desert-land' within a wealth of possibility.

It would be hard to argue that zionism is a force for good in this world.

>> ^westy:

its funny how the enemy of freedom and better countries in the modern world is not external forces and nations. Its dumb fucks within countries that don't educate them-selfs and don't know history and don't have basic resoining skills.
always seems to be that the most patriotic people are the most stupid and in realty have the most detrimental effect on the building of a good nation.


I agree westy, except that I think it's the people who are the most outspoken about their OWN patriotism that you have to worry about.

>> ^Ti_Moth:

It would be hard to argue that zionism is a force for good in this world.


If you read the history of Zionism it was once. Even Chomsky was a youth Zionist leader, but somewhere it went from having a place for the Jews to TAKING other peoples homes and land for the Jews.

It's amazing what propaganda will do to people. Sometimes it's just amazing that they can be so reasonable and logical in some ways but in others completely the opposite. Look at these people they don't question they don't study they don't ask questions, they just repeat whatever they were told over and over and over. It's honestly the end of humanity, this little genetic accident of a frontal lobe caused us great success and then tremendous failure.

He spellt "trauern" wrong.

>> ^dannym3141:

I saw a good louis theroux documentary in israel/palestine. He once filmed a bunch of - i think non-jewish, might have been a christian organisation - americans who'd arrived in the country and were making monetary donations and offering free labour to jews who were settling illegally in palestine.
I was like - oh, that's why the west isn't getting involved. It'd piss enough people off to make winning the next election difficult.


http://eztv.it/ep/25519/bbc-louis-theroux-ultra-zionists-pdtv-xvid-ac3-mvgroup/

I was watching it an few hours ago. Pretty shocking when the troops start shooting at the little kids.
And also shocking when Israelis locking the Palestinians out of their homes is business as usual.

>> ^marinara:

>> ^dannym3141:
I saw a good louis theroux documentary in israel/palestine. He once filmed a bunch of - i think non-jewish, might have been a christian organisation - americans who'd arrived in the country and were making monetary donations and offering free labour to jews who were settling illegally in palestine.
I was like - oh, that's why the west isn't getting involved. It'd piss enough people off to make winning the next election difficult.

http://eztv.it/ep/25519/bbc-louis-theroux-ultra-zionists-pdtv-x
vid-ac3-mvgroup/
I was watching it an few hours ago. Pretty shocking when the troops start shooting at the little kids.
And also shocking when Israelis locking the Palestinians out of their homes is business as usual.


Yeah, a lot of shocking stuff on it. Well worth watching.

Im pleasantly surprised by the commentary here

The Germans felt betrayed by the world, so they pushed jews out of their homes and into guarded ghettos so their people could flourish.
Their children grew up seeing the displaced as less than human.


The Jews were persecuted by the world, to they pushed the Palestinians out of the homes and into guarded ghettos so their people could flourish.
Their children grew up seeing the displaced as less than human.

We become that which we hate.

realistically, there is nothing too HOLY about the holy land, unless centuries of strife, war, murder, division and racism count as a blessing.
but people want to believe it is something more than what IT IS

similarly with the Jewish people. Regarded somewhere on a bell curve that includes "god's chosen people" and money grubbing zealots. Truth is, they're just people, and like the rest of us, stupid primates who are susceptible to propaganda, superstitious idiocy, and arrogant leaders.

Oh, right. Its sad because if the Arab Nations had allowed the 2 state system there never would of been a problem to begin with but no. They had to attack to push the Jews in to the sea.

The real truth?
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’ – Benjamin Netanyahu

And thats sums it all up.

One of the stupidities of the situation is that, genetically speaking, they are basically the same people. If we made decisions on the basis of science rather than superstition, there wouldn't be a fucking problem.

This kid that was a childhood friend has an interesting blog about this very subject. He's becoming sort of like a Chomsky of the conflict (which sort of sounds like a bust - this Chomsky fucking guy, What a Chomsky!) http://josephdana.com/

You're right: If only the Palestinians would put down their weapons, accept their imposed poverty, accept the god given superiority of god's choosen people, and graciously move off their land and into the sea so more settlements could be built... there would be no more violence.>> ^skinnydaddy1:

Oh, right. Its sad because if the Arab Nations had allowed the 2 state system there never would of been a problem to begin with but no. They had to attack to push the Jews in to the sea.
The real truth?
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’ – Benjamin Netanyahu
And thats sums it all up.

I've maintained for many years that the 4th Reich is alive and well. Israel is the new nazi state.

Asmo, can we cut the Nazi comparisons? They are getting SO old and you prove nothing except for your own ignorance by making these bombastic statements. Don't get me wrong, I in no way support this law or many others in this sorry excuse for a democracy, but it's these retarded 3rd Reich comparisons that make me feel disgusted by the extreme left here almost as much as I am by the right.
Grow up.

>> ^NinjaInHeat:

Asmo, can we cut the Nazi comparisons? They are getting SO old and you prove nothing except for your own ignorance by making these bombastic statements. Don't get me wrong, I in no way support this law or many others in this sorry excuse for a democracy, but it's these retarded 3rd Reich comparisons that make me feel disgusted by the extreme left here almost as much as I am by the right.
Grow up.


They are getting 'SO old' (OMFG Tiffany, it's like, SOOOOO old!!!) because they are made so often, and not just by right wing nutjobs. And they are made by good Jews. Well known and respected Jews who had families die in the Holocaust. People who will not condone what the facist state of Israel are doing to the Palestinians...

So no, I won't stop accusing the Israeli government of being a facist bunch of assholes on par with the Nazi's. If the jackboot fits...

If they are made by good, well-known and respected Jews then I concede, it must be true because their families died in the Holocaust.

Do you have any idea how many people in this country have had their families almost completely wiped out in the Holocaust? And believe me, that hardly qualifies them as objective in matters of democracy, it is that survivor mentality that has made Israel into the semi-Fascist nation it is today, creating generations of people whose first and foremost interest is the protection of the Jewish people, pluralism be damned. Still, they are not any more racist than your average American, just more blindly patriotic.
I think, at the very least, the fact that these left-wing activists are allowed to do what they're doing and I'm allowed to express my opinions (as unpopular as they may be here in Israel, as this video shows) should make others think twice before using terms such as '4th Reich' so lightheartedly.

>> ^Asmo:

>> ^NinjaInHeat:
Asmo, can we cut the Nazi comparisons? They are getting SO old and you prove nothing except for your own ignorance by making these bombastic statements. Don't get me wrong, I in no way support this law or many others in this sorry excuse for a democracy, but it's these retarded 3rd Reich comparisons that make me feel disgusted by the extreme left here almost as much as I am by the right.
Grow up.

They are getting 'SO old' (OMFG Tiffany, it's like, SOOOOO old!!!) because they are made so often, and not just by right wing nutjobs. And they are made by good Jews. Well known and respected Jews who had families die in the Holocaust. People who will not condone what the facist state of Israel are doing to the Palestinians...
So no, I won't stop accusing the Israeli government of being a facist bunch of assholes on par with the Nazi's. If the jackboot fits...

Ah - yet another video that allows neolibs of the Sift to refresh their Anti-Semitic prejudices. Gotta keep that bile nice and angried up, or all that carefully nurtured hatred would all go to waste.

Remember the other week when a PALESTINIAN broke into a Jewish home and murdered a young Jewish family including their infant child with a knife? Probably not. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if (A) most neolibs didn't hear the story or (B) if they did hear about it they couldn't have cared less.

The fact is that Isrealies are defensive and cloistered for very good reasons. Until they built their walls and established their barricades, Palestinians were blowing up nightclubs, grocery stores, busses, weddings, and committing various other atrocities almost every day. Isreal finally got sick of it and built walls, which have subsequently reduced Palestinain terrorism to blindly lobbing rockets.

There's no easy answers to that whole mess. I stand by my plan that the only real solution is to move all the Palestinians to Rhode Island and move all the Jews to Scicily and then turn the entire Isreali/Palestine region into a multi-national museum run by the Swiss.

So you didn't watch the video then?>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Ah - yet another video that allows neolibs of the Sift to refresh their Anti-Semitic prejudices. Gotta keep that bile nice and angried up, or all that carefully nurtured hatred would all go to waste.
Remember the other week when a PALESTINIAN broke into a Jewish home and murdered a young Jewish family including their infant child with a knife? Probably not. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if (A) most neolibs didn't hear the story or (B) if they did hear about it they couldn't have cared less.
The fact is that Isrealies are defensive and cloistered for very good reasons. Until they built their walls and established their barricades, Palestinians were blowing up nightclubs, grocery stores, busses, weddings, and committing various other atrocities almost every day. Isreal finally got sick of it and built walls, which have subsequently reduced Palestinain terrorism to blindly lobbing rockets.
There's no easy answers to that whole mess. I stand by my plan that the only real solution is to move all the Palestinians to Rhode Island and move all the Jews to Scicily and then turn the entire Isreali/Palestine region into a multi-national museum run by the Swiss.

>> ^raverman:

You're right: If only the Palestinians would put down their weapons, accept their imposed poverty, accept the god given superiority of god's choosen people, and graciously move off their land and into the sea so more settlements could be built... there would be no more violence.>> ^skinnydaddy1:
Oh, right. Its sad because if the Arab Nations had allowed the 2 state system there never would of been a problem to begin with but no. They had to attack to push the Jews in to the sea.
The real truth?
If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’ – Benjamin Netanyahu
And thats sums it all up.



Imposed Poverty? So they are not spending millions and millions of cash on rockets, guns, explosives and bullets. Those things just appear? Maybe they should not of let Yasser Arafat pocket so much money? Claiming poverty while being able to launch hundreds and hundreds of rockets and firing thousand and thousands of bullets seems to be, I don't know.. Full of shit? Billions have been given to the Palestinians, they did not use this money to improve their lives. They used it to try and kill people.
The Arab nations started this mess. They attacked first and continued to keep trying to start wars. They used the Palestinians as a tool and Israel keeps taking the blame. And for what? Self Defense? You claim truth while screaming propaganda bullshit and for what I've seen it may be working but at some point someone is going to find out the real truth and it will be a sad day. It will be the day Hamas kicks in their door and comes for them. Palestinian TV teaches children hate and murder. Funny how you do not find that on Israeli Tv but the Israeli children are learning the lesson also. Every time a rocket is fired at them and their schools. Every time they have to run and hide when the sirens screams. Every time some brainwashed idiot blows him self up in a mall or when their Olympic athletes are murdered.

The Beginning of all this started with the Arab Countries they do not seem to want to take the responsibility to end it. So the beginning of the end must start with the Palestinians.