The three girls and the cops controversy and this press conf

Well, I dunno what to make out of this.
The video we've seen seems clear---the deputies we can see don't get in the water.

But then there's this press conference from 4/22/16 where a clearly exasperated Sheriff tries to get across that their is other video and other reports from other responding officers---and that some of the officers can be seen in the video without their belts and without their pants.

And that one of the guys who tried to wade in is on the dive team (ie. body recovery team) and he found it so entangling that he started to walk back out once he got to knee depth.

So...I don't know.
newtboysays...

Um...we can see in the original video that no deputy is in the water, and their pants are on and dry.
If there IS this second video, why can't it be found? I've looked, no such video has been posted on YT.
"Is there ANYTHING showing deputies with muddy clothing or anything?"
"No...why would we do that? That's not evidence of anything."
He can't possibly be that stupid. It would be evidence that they tried....but that evidence does not exist because they clearly didn't try to save those girls. No one went in the water, in the video of that night it's pretty clear that NO deputy went in the water, some didn't even get out of their cars.

The deflection, trying to both blame the victims and dehumanize them, implying they don't deserve to be saved. Just plain disgusting. The solution to the issue at hand.....a new anti car theft initiative....not more/better police training.

These deputies didn't do their job, then lied about it, and are continuing to lie in the face of video evidence proving that they are lying. 3 girls died because of it.

bcglorfsays...

I'd hold off for a bit.

The Sheriff doesn't say that he's posted all the dashcam videos to YT, he said it was all included along with the police report that was given out the to the media. That would be the media that was in the room there with him. The media people in the room where NOBODY called out the Sheriff to say they'd watched all the dashcam video and found him to be lying. If the Sheriff is lying about the existence of the dashcam footage, 100% of the media present never bother to look at the footage to check for themselves.

I'm inclined to believe at least one of the media folks did at least that much of their job. If they did NOT, I'm not entirely inclined to leap in with both feet to believing their side fo the story just yet either.

Is it so hard to accept the possibility the police aren't monsters out there trying to murder civilians every chance they get?

newtboysaid:

Um...we can see in the original video that no deputy is in the water, and their pants are on and dry.
If there IS this second video, why can't it be found? I've looked, no such video has been posted on YT.
"Is there ANYTHING showing deputies with muddy clothing or anything?"
"No...why would we do that? That's not evidence of anything."
He can't possibly be that stupid. It would be evidence that they tried....but that evidence does not exist because they clearly didn't try to save those girls. No one went in the water, in the video of that night it's pretty clear that NO deputy went in the water, some didn't even get out of their cars.

The deflection, trying to both blame the victims and dehumanize them, implying they don't deserve to be saved. Just plain disgusting. The solution to the issue at hand.....a new anti car theft initiative....not more/better police training.

These deputies didn't do their job, then lied about it, and are continuing to lie in the face of video evidence proving that they are lying. 3 girls died because of it.

bcglorfsays...

Here's possibly the clip being referenced, from the sheriffs office directly. Shows two officers, both stripped down from uniform, 1 looks like they are carrying back their vest suggesting it had been stripped off. I'm not sure how much more can realistically be expected. As the Sheriff said, have we really hit the point where unless we have a video of the deputies wading into the water it clearly didn't happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krliEVgUQoM

SFOGuysays...

Oh, thanks for this! Couldn't find it.
Yah, at at least the 31 second mark, a deputy walks by in a clearly a stripped down state.

You can't see if he's sopping wet, but you can clearly tell he's stripped his belt and other uniform stuff that would encumber him in the water.

And then later in the videos---is someone going by in their underwear?
I couldn't be sure.

bcglorfsaid:

Here's possibly the clip being referenced, from the sheriffs office directly. Shows two officers, both stripped down from uniform, 1 looks like they are carrying back their vest suggesting it had been stripped off. I'm not sure how much more can realistically be expected. As the Sheriff said, have we really hit the point where unless we have a video of the deputies wading into the water it clearly didn't happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krliEVgUQoM

newtboysays...

You make a good point...kind of....IMO, the media no longer employs 'reporters'. It would not surprise me in the least if NONE of the media there had looked at what had been released. EDIT:but now that we've seen what was released, it made no difference as it does NOT show any officer try to help, only officers partially out of uniform. There certainly should be footage from one of those cars that surrounded the water showing an officer TRYING to enter the water, but there isn't, because it likely didn't happen.

It is impossible to believe that cops don't dehumanize those they chase, because we've seen it all too often. It's impossible to believe that cops act properly after a chase, because we see them act improperly all the time. It's impossible to believe that cops DON'T murder citizens often and then lie about it, because we've seen it all too often. I don't think they murder any citizen they have a chance to murder, but I do think they murder many people for 'contempt of cop' because they know they'll be backed up by the entire force...which is why we can no longer trust ANY self serving statement made by police...they lie, they're trained to lie, they are trained to think it's OK for them to lie, and they are trained to support another officers lies....you can't trust a word they ever say because of that.

bcglorfsaid:

I'd hold off for a bit.

The Sheriff doesn't say that he's posted all the dashcam videos to YT, he said it was all included along with the police report that was given out the to the media. That would be the media that was in the room there with him. The media people in the room where NOBODY called out the Sheriff to say they'd watched all the dashcam video and found him to be lying. If the Sheriff is lying about the existence of the dashcam footage, 100% of the media present never bother to look at the footage to check for themselves.

I'm inclined to believe at least one of the media folks did at least that much of their job. If they did NOT, I'm not entirely inclined to leap in with both feet to believing their side fo the story just yet either.

Is it so hard to accept the possibility the police aren't monsters out there trying to murder civilians every chance they get?

bobknight33says...

3 stupid criminals die.....and the problem is?

Those deputies did their jobs. Their parents didn't do theirs for 15 years, and there lies the problem.

When you have an anti-police President, and an anti-police U.S. attorney general. Are you surprised that criminals are the "victims" and police are the criminals.

ForgedRealitysays...

But... but... The CHILDREN! What about THE CHILDREN!?!?

Can we just start executing the shitty parents already?

Why do brats get to commit adult crimes and then not go to prison just because they haven't been alive long enough? Somebody has to teach these fucking assholes how to behave.

bobknight33said:

3 stupid criminals die.....and the problem is?

Those deputies did their jobs. Their parents didn't do theirs for 15 years, and there lies the problem.

When you have an anti-police President, and an anti-police U.S. attorney general. Are you surprised that criminals are the "victims" and police are the criminals.

newtboysays...

Simple...the prisons are full of low level drug dealers for selling an ounce of pot, so thieves and abusers have to be set free.

ForgedRealitysaid:

Why do brats get to commit adult crimes and then not go to prison just because they haven't been alive long enough? Somebody has to teach these fucking assholes how to behave.

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