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Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Monday, September 19th, 2011 3:23pm PDT - promote requested by Duckman33.

>> ^Duckman33:

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Oh, man. I just promoted it. Thanks, Duckman.

Ha! She really got him with that last comment...

Where's marbles to arc up about vaccines then?

I love Kirsten Schaal, but there's a lot of misinformation being spread here.

>> ^spoco2:

Ha! She really got him with that last comment...
Where's marbles to arc up about vaccines then?

When you've got liberals quoting Rush Limbaugh as the authority, then you know something is seriously fucked up.

>> ^spoco2:

Ha! She really got him with that last comment...
Where's marbles to arc up about vaccines then?


^

>> ^marbles:

>> ^spoco2:
Ha! She really got him with that last comment...
Where's marbles to arc up about vaccines then?

When you've got liberals quoting Rush Limbaugh as the authority, then you know something is seriously fucked up.


OR, if everyone INCLUDING Limbaugh admits that there is ZERO evidence for the claims then you know the claims are utter bullshit.

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^spoco2:
Ha! She really got him with that last comment...
Where's marbles to arc up about vaccines then?

When you've got liberals quoting Rush Limbaugh as the authority, then you know something is seriously fucked up.

OR, if everyone INCLUDING Limbaugh admits that there is ZERO evidence for the claims then you know the claims are utter bullshit.


Ok pal. Gardasil contains aluminum, polysorbate 80 and sodium borate.

aluminum: Toxic. Linked to Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. Can cause memory loss and speech problems. Linked to a wide variety of other health problems. Side effects and severe allergic reactions include rash, hives, itching, difficulty breathing, tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue, loss of appetite, muscle weakness, nausea, slow reflexes, and vomiting.

polysorbate 80: Carcinogenic as well as mutagenic. When injected into prepubescent rats, it caused abnormal growth of reproductive organs and made the rats sterile. When used intravenously with vitamins it has been known to cause anaphylactic shock.

sodium borate: Roach pesticide, i.e. poison. Listed side effects include: vomiting, collapse, coma, convulsions, low blood pressure and twitching of facial muscles, arms, hands, legs, and feet.


According to VAERS – the following reports have been listed for HPV, HPV2 & HPV 4 and "mental disorders." This is an estimated 1 to 10% of the vaccine-injured population reporting:

VAERS Analysis / HPV, HPV2, HPV4 – U.S. & Foreign / HPV4 U.S. Only


1. Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis (ADEM) / 21 / 7
   
2. Encephalitis / 53 / 27
   
3. Demyelination / 60 / 28
   
4. Psychotic Disorder / 14 / 5
   
5. Abnormal Behaviour / 49 / 41
   
6. Cognitive Disorder / 22 / 19
   
7. Mental Status Changes / 41 / 38
   
8. Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imaging Brain Abnormal / 132 / 95
   
9. Speech Disorder / 90 / 67
   
10. Myelitis Transverse / 30 / 21
    
11. Facial Palsy / 138 / 105

But we all know that Limbah himself has mental retardation, so maybe he speaks from personal experience..
>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^spoco2:
Ha! She really got him with that last comment...
Where's marbles to arc up about vaccines then?

When you've got liberals quoting Rush Limbaugh as the authority, then you know something is seriously fucked up.

OR, if everyone INCLUDING Limbaugh admits that there is ZERO evidence for the claims then you know the claims are utter bullshit.


Kristen Schaal is awesome!

@marbles... shit then, better keep kids away from Parmesan cheese, or Mussels or Spinach you don't want them to die from Aluminium poisoning do you?

Also, don't let them ever eat Ice Cream, fuck no! They'll die from the polysorbate 80.

And come on... sodium borate, it's used as a food preservative in many countries, and is ONLY dangerous when ingested in high quantities for long periods of time... like, 5-10 years long.

Sorry, but your bullshit scaremongering, ill thought out crap doesn't cut it, it makes no sense, it does not gel with reality. You can find dangerous substances in pretty much anything you eat or drink. It's all about quantities and timeframes. Also, things that CAN be dangerous in situation A can be beneficial in situation B.

But hey... continue siding with idiots like Jenny McCarthy who have contributed to the deaths of kids... you keep on with that.

Upvote for punannistate.

>> ^spoco2:

@marbles... shit then, better keep kids away from Parmesan cheese, or Mussels or Spinach you don't want them to die from Aluminium poisoning do you?
Also, don't let them ever eat Ice Cream, fuck no! They'll die from the polysorbate 80.
And come on... sodium borate, it's used as a food preservative in many countries, and is ONLY dangerous when ingested in high quantities for long periods of time... like, 5-10 years long.
Sorry, but your bullshit scaremongering, ill thought out crap doesn't cut it, it makes no sense, it does not gel with reality. You can find dangerous substances in pretty much anything you eat or drink. It's all about quantities and timeframes. Also, things that CAN be dangerous in situation A can be beneficial in situation B.
But hey... continue siding with idiots like Jenny McCarthy who have contributed to the deaths of kids... you keep on with that.


I'm sorry. Am I scaring you with facts? Aren't you the one that keeps claiming people that question the safety of vaccines are going to cause health pandemics and contribute "to the deaths of kids"???

First you say there's zero evidence, but now you say it's all about "quantities and timeframes". GOOD POINT! When you administer a substance intravenously, the entire quantity is delivered into the bloodstream instantaneous. So why are comparing it to ingesting where the process is slow and little is even absorbed?

>> ^marbles:

>> ^spoco2:
@marbles... shit then, better keep kids away from Parmesan cheese, or Mussels or Spinach you don't want them to die from Aluminium poisoning do you?
Also, don't let them ever eat Ice Cream, fuck no! They'll die from the polysorbate 80.
And come on... sodium borate, it's used as a food preservative in many countries, and is ONLY dangerous when ingested in high quantities for long periods of time... like, 5-10 years long.
Sorry, but your bullshit scaremongering, ill thought out crap doesn't cut it, it makes no sense, it does not gel with reality. You can find dangerous substances in pretty much anything you eat or drink. It's all about quantities and timeframes. Also, things that CAN be dangerous in situation A can be beneficial in situation B.
But hey... continue siding with idiots like Jenny McCarthy who have contributed to the deaths of kids... you keep on with that.

I'm sorry. Am I scaring you with facts? Aren't you the one that keeps claiming people that question the safety of vaccines are going to cause health pandemics and contribute "to the deaths of kids"???
First you say there's zero evidence, but now you say it's all about "quantities and timeframes". I say GOOD POINT! When you administer a substance intravenously, the entire quantity is delivered into the bloodstream instantaneous. So why are comparing it to ingesting where the process is slow and little is even absorbed.


You have no facts, you have bits and bobs pulled from all over the place and yet NO scientific basis for any of your claims.

Sorry, but again... People like Jenny McCarthy HAVE already contributed to the death of children. Thanks to Wakefield's bogus findings, and the bleating of McCarthy: "... the inoculation rate for MMR in the UK was 92%; after publication, the rate dropped to below 80%. In 1998, there were 56 measles cases in the UK; by 2008, there were 1348 cases, with 2 confirmed deaths.[43]" That's 2 100% preventable deaths right there.

And guess what?

"In Japan, the MMR vaccination has been discontinued, with single vaccines being used for each disease. Rates of autism diagnosis have continued to increase, showing no correlation with the change."

Sorry, am I fucking up your bullshit with facts?

For the Canucks:

http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/#clip531371

Nice job. Marbles reminds me of my Aunt Edna. Paranoid and conspiracy spinner. She gets her facts from out of print copies of Reader's Digest, cobbles them together and scares the shit out of her grand nieces and nephews with stories of government cover-ups leading to death. We don't visit much anymore. The last straw was the "mercury in tooth fillings" debacle. Told us to get all of our teeth pulled or we would die hideous deaths. We reminded her that she had such fillings, and she's 97. She threw pie at us.
>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^spoco2:
@marbles... shit then, better keep kids away from Parmesan cheese, or Mussels or Spinach you don't want them to die from Aluminium poisoning do you?
Also, don't let them ever eat Ice Cream, fuck no! They'll die from the polysorbate 80.
And come on... sodium borate, it's used as a food preservative in many countries, and is ONLY dangerous when ingested in high quantities for long periods of time... like, 5-10 years long.
Sorry, but your bullshit scaremongering, ill thought out crap doesn't cut it, it makes no sense, it does not gel with reality. You can find dangerous substances in pretty much anything you eat or drink. It's all about quantities and timeframes. Also, things that CAN be dangerous in situation A can be beneficial in situation B.
But hey... continue siding with idiots like Jenny McCarthy who have contributed to the deaths of kids... you keep on with that.

I'm sorry. Am I scaring you with facts? Aren't you the one that keeps claiming people that question the safety of vaccines are going to cause health pandemics and contribute "to the deaths of kids"???
First you say there's zero evidence, but now you say it's all about "quantities and timeframes". I say GOOD POINT! When you administer a substance intravenously, the entire quantity is delivered into the bloodstream instantaneous. So why are comparing it to ingesting where the process is slow and little is even absorbed.

You have no facts, you have bits and bobs pulled from all over the place and yet NO scientific basis for any of your claims.
Sorry, but again... People like Jenny McCarthy HAVE already contributed to the death of children. Thanks to Wakefield's bogus findings, and the bleating of McCarthy: "... the inoculation rate for MMR in the UK was 92%; after publication, the rate dropped to below 80%. In 1998, there were 56 measles cases in the UK; by 2008, there were 1348 cases, with 2 confirmed deaths.[43]" That's 2 100% preventable deaths right there.
And guess what?
"In Japan, the MMR vaccination has been discontinued, with single vaccines being used for each disease. Rates of autism diagnosis have continued to increase, showing no correlation with the change."
Sorry, am I fucking up your bullshit with facts?

>> ^marbles:


First you say there's zero evidence, but now you say it's all about "quantities and timeframes". GOOD POINT! When you administer a substance intravenously, the entire quantity is delivered into the bloodstream instantaneous. So why are comparing it to ingesting where the process is slow and little is even absorbed?


Dosage, whether intravenus or oral, is the important factor, not the delivery method.

Chemotherapy drugs, using cytotoxic chemicals, can easily kill you. People still get treated with them. Digitalis for heart conditions. Ffs, alcohol is toxic in large doses. So is salt, and you can even suffer water poisoning... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication)

And the list of conditions suffered by number of cases? Wow, so compelling... Do you perchance have the population norms to compare against to see if the numbers are higher for those treated with the vaccine? Any other qualifying factors that demonstrate a significant deviation from the norm? Nada.

What you are doing is not scientific, and it's not presenting evidence. You've attempted to handpick the pieces of evidence you think support your position then tack them together in a casual correlation with zero underpinning. Even if you were right (and nothing you've presented actually says you are), your haphazard cherrypicking approach and unsubstantiated conclusions discredit your own position.

Excellent article by a doctor, who has a child with autism, on why this is all utter nonsense:

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life/vaccination-a-victim-of-its-own-success-20110920-1kixy.html

A wall mounted singing flesh-light? I'll take one.

>> ^marbles:

Ok pal. Gardasil contains aluminum, polysorbate 80 and sodium borate. [...] According to VAERS – the following reports have been listed for HPV, HPV2 & HPV 4 and "mental disorders." [...] But hey, the government and big business says it's perfectly safe, so all those victims are probably just full of shit.

Aluminum: Exceptionally low toxicity. The LD50 for aluminum is 6.207 g/kg. That comes out to over a pound for a 175lb person.

Polysorbate 80: Not found to be a carcinogen according to this study and this study. Here (PDF) is yet another study that finds no evidence of carcinogenicity. Also noteworthy is that the Gardasil vaccine contains 0.00005g of Polysorbate 80. The average daily intake from food is 2000x that.

Sodium Borate ("Borax"): The LD50 of Borax is 2.66 g/kg. That comes out to .46lbs to kill a 175lb person. This is probably the most "dangerous" chemical of the three but, again, we're talking about 0.000035g. Borax is used as an insecticide specifically because it's virtually harmless to humans. It kills insects via severe dehydration.

Now then... The problem with your VAERS statistics is that they're unverified, self-reported, and potentially self-diagnosed. Even if all the diagnosis were correct, they are correlation only with no research into causation. They are useless as evidence on their own.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

>> ^marbles:
Ok pal. Gardasil contains aluminum, polysorbate 80 and sodium borate. [...] According to VAERS – the following reports have been listed for HPV, HPV2 & HPV 4 and "mental disorders." [...] But hey, the government and big business says it's perfectly safe, so all those victims are probably just full of shit.
Aluminum: Exceptionally low toxicity. The LD50 for aluminum is 6.207 g/kg. That comes out to over a pound for a 175lb person.
Polysorbate 80: Not found to be a carcinogen according to this study and this study. Here (PDF) is yet another study that finds no evidence of carcinogenicity. Also noteworthy is that the Gardasil vaccine contains 0.00005g of Polysorbate 80. The average daily intake from food is 2000x that.
Sodium Borate ("Borax"): The LD50 of Borax is 2.66 g/kg. That comes out to .46lbs to kill a 175lb person. This is probably the most "dangerous" chemical of the three but, again, we're talking about 0.000035g. Borax is used as an insecticide specifically because it's virtually harmless to humans. It kills insects via severe dehydration.
Now then... The problem with your VAERS statistics is that they're unverified, self-reported, and potentially self-diagnosed. Even if all the diagnosis were correct, they are correlation only with no research into causation. They are useless as evidence on their own.


I how the evil government is trying to poison us with vaccines! How do I know this? I looked it up on a government website! While entirely failing to understand how methodological research works! Yay!

Look there are plenty of legitimate problems with the pharmaceutical industry that don't rely on ridiculous notions. Read up on patent ever greening for a start. It's the same with that 9/11 bullshit. When you focus on the ridiculous, you make it harder for people with legitimate grievances to be taken seriously.

non-correlation (in that japan study) is not a fact in your favor. We're determining if vaccines are a cause of autism, not if vaccines cause all autism.

delivery methods or "drug absorption" does affect toxicity. There are exceptions to the rule, some drugs are absorbed well through ingestion, but they are the exception.

I guess it's easier to call marbles names than to do real science. I think marbles would be happy for science to speak for itself.

>> ^marinara:

non-correlation (in that japan study) is not a fact in your favor. We're determining if vaccines are a cause of autism, not if vaccines cause all autism.
delivery methods or "drug absorption" does affect toxicity. There are exceptions to the rule, some drugs are absorbed well through ingestion, but they are the exception.
I guess it's easier to call marbles names than to do real science. I think marbles would be happy for science to speak for itself.


Huh?

As the article I linked to a few comments above stated, the medical community took the claims that autism could be caused by vaccines very seriously... and so many studies have been undertaken, and none of them have found any link.

They might in the future, who knows. The HUGE bloody issue is that all of this was kicked off by one crooked doctor who scammed people into giving him money based on bogus research and a false link between the MMR vaccine and Autism. Suddenly, all these parents who have kids who developed Autism started blaming the vaccines with NO PROOF AT ALL... NONE, other than the two things happened at vaguely the same time... vaguely. And they just DO happen at the same time, so it's not causation.

So all these unknowing parents who are scrambling for someone/thing to blame for their apparently normal child becoming autistic latch onto vaccines. This makes thousands of people become unnecessarily fearful of vaccines and stop immunising their children, based on NO EVIDENCE. This leads to children dying due to the diseases the vaccines were preventing coming back.

So, the Japanese splitting the vaccine into three different ones (which is what the bogus doctor was saying people should do because, surprise, surprise, he had developed vaccines for that and so would profit hugely) has made no impact on the rise of Autism.

Absolutely there should always be people looking into the validity of claims made against medicines.

But if the science is done, done correctly, done multiple times and STILL shows things to be safe then people need to STOP SPOUTING SHIT. People like marbles are harmful individuals for just the reason @ChaosEngine states. There is critical thinking, and judging validity of sources, and not just accepting things with blind faith.

And then there is this insane 'anything to do with anyone other than my fellow conspiracy nuts is all just 'big business' and 'government conspiracy''. All this does is to make people either:

a) Mistrust absolutely everything, no matter how valid, and therefore end up 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' and rejecting all the good things that are done by large business and the government and society at large.

OR

b) Regard every single thing going against authority as a raving loon notion and so just accept EVERYTHING they are told, which is the opposite mindless sheep approach to life.

There is a happy medium where you critically take that things that make sense and are for the betterment of us all, and sometimes reject things which you can see through REASON and logic and critical thinking to be perhaps created with someone elses betterment in mind rather than yours.

Hey guess what. Medicine IS poison. Almost ALL of it. You take enough and you die! Painfully! (unless its painkillers, idk what happens then) BAN IT ALLLLLL. I went to the Dentist and they fucking exposed me to Xrays! They weren't even man enough to be in the same room as me when it happened. Bitches.

I'm neither a Doctor or Scientist so I have no authority to discuss the dangers of vaccinations. I do know that I trust Doctors/Scientists when they say something is good for me a hell of a lot more than some anecdotal evidence.

Remember MMR? MAN ITS A GOOD THING WE ALL STOPPED TAKING THAT. Oh wait.

What vaccines are given through I.V.?

For the non-medical, 'intramuscular injection' is where you just stick it in your arm, while 'subcutaneous' is under the skin; those two or a nasal sprays are the routes I'm familiar with. The choice of route is important (slower release, etc.). Having to give something via I.V. is kinda serious business.
>> ^marbles:

>> ^spoco2:


When you administer a substance intravenously, the entire quantity is delivered into the bloodstream instantaneous. So why are comparing it to ingesting where the process is slow and little is even absorbed?