he deserved it

Cyclists can be cunts too...there is no one righteous on the road.

>> ^shogunkai:

he deserved it


I don't know if he deserved it--but a turn signal would have been nice.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^shogunkai:
he deserved it

I don't know if he deserved it--but a turn signal would have been nice.


if you look at 0:24 the car did turn on its turn signal, but the biker had already started passing it (and was probably in its blind spot too) as soon as the car driver saw the biker they stopped merging.

There was really no call for that. He wasn't knocked off his bike, he was minorly inconvenienced for a few seconds in traffic. If the situations were reversed (i.e. if the cyclist cut off the car and the car smashed his bike), we'd be screaming murder.

On top of that, for the simple fact that he was cycling in traffic without a helmet, the cyclist is a fucking idiot.

How many of you who are saying the car driver didn't deserve that actually commute to work daily by bike? None of you? Thought so!

>> ^Reefie:

How many of you who are saying the car driver didn't deserve that actually commute to work daily by bike? None of you? Thought so!

I used to commute by bike, in London, and NO, he didn't deserve it. It also makes it potentially worse for the next bike the driver encounters. Until cyclists stop weaving, ignoring stop signs/lights, using pavements and, my biggest gripe, travelling 2 or 3 abreast, they will get little sympathy. And yes, I did some of those things but I learned, the hard way, not to.

Actually, you can tell there was "words exchanged" so unless you all know what the driver said, let's suspend the calls for blame, shall we?

My flabbergoblin' has gotten me into FAR more crap while driving than it has EVER gotten me out of. I'm just lucky to be 6'3" and 300lbs of really intimidating human.

>> ^Payback:

Actually, you can tell there was "words exchanged" so unless you all know what the driver said, let's suspend the calls for blame, shall we?
My flabbergoblin' has gotten me into FAR more crap while driving than it has EVER gotten me out of. I'm just lucky to be 6'3" and 300lbs of really intimidating human.


pound for pound I could definitely take you.

I could take you both with nothing more than a can of spinach and my enormous penis.

@Reefie
I commute by bike over 100 days per year in Chicago and ride in the city (to the gym, grocer, etc) another 50 to 75 days.

That cyclist is completely out of line.

I was yelled at for opening my car door one night by a cyclist in all black, no light, riding down the street. F me? No F him.


I am tired as a cyclist and driver of seeing cyclist basically ride WITHOUT rules of any kind. Cell phones while riding? Yes. No lights at night? Yes. Weaving dangerously through traffic? Yes.

>> ^Reefie:

How many of you who are saying the car driver didn't deserve that actually commute to work daily by bike? None of you? Thought so!


I'm a racer, and am out on the road training daily. I have my fair share of negative encounters with drivers even though I carefully follow all of the rules of the road.
To clarify, I don't feel bad for the driver, because he's clearly an ass. However, cyclists like this give ME a bad name and only will further polarize drivers like this.

I sure as hell don't want to get run over by this douche because some other prick of a cyclist punched his mirror off.

>> ^ghark:

>> ^Payback:
Actually, you can tell there was "words exchanged" so unless you all know what the driver said, let's suspend the calls for blame, shall we?
My flabbergoblin' has gotten me into FAR more crap while driving than it has EVER gotten me out of. I'm just lucky to be 6'3" and 300lbs of really intimidating human.

pound for pound I could definitely take you.


Probably. I did say "intimidating", not "badass psycho MMA God".

The driver was a douche for continuing to cut off the cyclist after it was clear they could see each other, and words were exchanged. He should have waited for the owner of that lane (the cyclist) to move ahead so that he could take the next spot in the lane. The cyclist was a douche for continuing to ride down the painted lines, and weaving between cars. Cyclists should act as though they have equal rights and responsibilities in lanes as cars. If there are cars in front of you, yea, it sucks, but you wait, you don't bike down the line. I won't even comment on his reaction to the car. And yes, I bike commute in an urban area 10 miles a day.

Upvote for the interesting dialog going on here.

My opinion is that the cyclist is the bigger jerk is this circumstance.

@A10anis @kevingrr @carneval Interesting to note that none of you had previously commented on this sift but the moment something is said that you can argue against you wade right in. I cycle daily, everywhere, and I can tell you that drivers are dickheads 99% of the time. I've done everything the highway code asks cyclists and yet I've still been run over at roundabouts, every couple of days I get some arsehole winding down their window and telling me to get the fuck off the roads and buy a proper vehicle, I've been knocked off my bike more times than I can count (often while I'm in the cyclist lane), drivers who rarely indicate when required, though often they do it as an afterthought after they've side-swiped me.

Basically if you cycle daily then you are all too aware of just how frustrating it is for cyclists to commute. If you deny the frustration that cyclists endure daily then you're full of it.

@Reefie

I had not seen this video until after you had made your comment.


That said - I ride in Chicago. I have been cut off, had doors opened on me, and had mirrors come within inches etc.

Are those drivers bad? Yes. That doesn't give me an excuse to behave badly.

I do not expect the drivers to see me, look for me, stop for me, or signal when they are turning. Is it fair that I should have to use telepathy to anticipate their movement? No. But it is what it is. So make due and ride safe.

Watch the video a few times. This cyclist is an aggressive idiot. Did he signal? No. Did he move to the side of the lane? No. Was he weaving through traffic... well he was trying...

>> ^kevingrr:
@Reefie
I had not seen this video until after you had made your comment.
That said - I ride in Chicago. I have been cut off, had doors opened on me, and had mirrors come within inches etc.
Are those drivers bad? Yes. That doesn't give me an excuse to behave badly.
I do not expect the drivers to see me, look for me, stop for me, or signal when they are turning. Is it fair that I should have to use telepathy to anticipate their movement? No. But it is what it is. So make due and ride safe.
Watch the video a few times. This cyclist is an aggressive idiot. Did he signal? No. Did he move to the side of the lane? No. Was he weaving through traffic... well he was trying...


Wholeheartedly agree that it doesn't give us cyclists an excuse to misbehave, I guess I'm just supportive of this cyclist because he did something that secretly (well, not anymore!) I'd love to do to drivers who have no consideration for cyclists.

>> ^Reefie:

@A10anis @kevingrr @carneval Interesting to note that none of you had previously commented on this sift but the moment something is said that you can argue against you wade right in. I cycle daily, everywhere, and I can tell you that drivers are dickheads 99% of the time. I've done everything the highway code asks cyclists and yet I've still been run over at roundabouts, every couple of days I get some arsehole winding down their window and telling me to get the fuck off the roads and buy a proper vehicle, I've been knocked off my bike more times than I can count (often while I'm in the cyclist lane), drivers who rarely indicate when required, though often they do it as an afterthought after they've side-swiped me.
Basically if you cycle daily then you are all too aware of just how frustrating it is for cyclists to commute. If you deny the frustration that cyclists endure daily then you're full of it.


I, like Kevin, watched the video and then read your comment as it had already been posted. I think you are making some assumptions about the chronology of events here

You must live in a bad area for cyclists, and I'm sorry to hear that. I went to college in a town that had what you described; many dickheads.

I'm a driver too, I do not commute by bike, and I do understand how drivers can get easily irritated. Unfortunately - and I am not excluded from this - being behind a window/steering wheel tends to disconnect people from the world/results in a lack of empathy. It's sad, and very unfortunate.

I see that you are in the UK. I have never cycled there but my relatives across the pond tell me that the dynamics between cyclists and drivers are really bad- it seems your experience agrees.

However, I think my point still stands - I do not want to be run over because some other cyclist pissed off the operator of a 2-ton killing machine yesterday, last week, or last year.

>> ^Reefie:

How many of you who are saying the car driver didn't deserve that actually commute to work daily by bike? None of you? Thought so!


Fucking spot on. How many people have actually had to put up with cycling in busy traffic? If you haven't, you can't even begin to understand just how vulnerable you are.

Some cyclists are fucking idiots, but at least they can't kill you by accident. Whereas half the drivers i see on the road are fucking idiots, and they'd accidentally kill you without even realising they'd done something wrong. The driver was being a prick. The fact that there's people in this thread who don't realise just goes to show how bad it can be for a sensible cyclist.

But now that driver's gonna be more aggressive towards cyclists.....

I try to keep an eye out for motorcycles, bikes, and cars. And there are people out there who just refuse to make it easy to see them in any one of those.

Cars who drive in blind spots for miles and miles and don't react when you signal your intentions for a good 30 seconds prior to actually doing what you are signalling. You know they are there, you are trying not to hit them and they are intentionally ignoring you or blocking you. These are usually aggressive drivers whose actions usually chain react right down the line of the cars and everyone gets the "fuck this guy" attitude for the next 20 minutes down the road.

Motorcycles who drive in blind spots, drive between two tall vehicles as they cross 2 lanes of traffic in a single move with no pause to check if the second lane is actually clear. Driving in the safety lanes or emergency lanes to pass traffic and merge in and out at will. Or do the "back and forth" while maintaining their lanes, so it looks like they are in a perpetual state of not being able to decide if they want to merge in the right or left lane and just pissing everyone off.

Bikes who go from sidewalk to road and back again, who rarely stop at stop signs....never use arm signals to show they are changing lanes. Go significantly below the speed of the rest of traffic and make it impossible to pass them safely. You'll see these guys holding up 15+ cars behind them doing 15-20 below the speed limit. I mean I don't expect them to perform like machines, but stop in a driveway or take a different route instead of holding up a huge line of cars over and over. No one would tolerate a car doing this for as long as the biker's get away with it around here.

And hell there's this lady in the neighborhood who jogs on the roads, despite there being a public park she's running around on her jog and her also running around a residential neighborhood with sidewalks throughout but she runs on the no sidewalk streets that have waaaaay more vehicle traffic than either the park or that neighborhood. The thinking is that she does it because she wants people to see her running, which is just another form of being fucking annoying. It's especially bad because the road has a really up and down section in it and you could literally come over the hill and run her ass over and there is nowhere to swerve due to deep ditches, mailboxes and huge trees on both sides. Or hit a car head on as they go out around her right before the hill.

It's just a general theme of everyone thinking their business/action is more important than yours. And generally I'll take it in stride for a bit, or let people fuck up some. But eventually you have to be an asshole back or other people start to do it too. A big example of this is when a two lane road merges down to one due to construction........you know it's there. Most everyone else who drives this path knows too. Except most of them stay in the lane that's going to merge in and drive just as far as they can down it and merge in at the last second....making everyone who merged over like they should wait......and wait......and wait. Because more people drive up and merge. Eventually those people trying to merge are blocked unless they can shove their vehicle in the spaces and people are unwilling to take damage to their vehicles to stop them...but it cuts down on the rest of the assholes who keep doing it because it makes that lane slower again by restricting people's merging ability by being an asshole to them.

And, in this video. Guy in silver car on right was an asshole...totally crowding the car before he crowded the bicycle. So......bicycle guy was probably in the right doing what he did.

>> ^Reefie:

How many of you who are saying the car driver didn't deserve that actually commute to work daily by bike? None of you? Thought so!


I've done both. I have to say, 'round here at least the Cyclists are worse than the motorists. I often drive up a major artery where cyclists block an entire lane to themselves when there's a dedicated bike path one block away that runs parallel. There's a big hill on the arterial road where a cyclist was killed a few years back because they were going well over the speed limit and some woman opened her car door at the wrong moment.

I also had a time when two cyclists zipped past me and blocked the path for my right hand turn (I was signaling) I chirped the horn at them and one of them started wailing on the side of my car.

Most cyclists are good citizens. Some are absolute militant assholes who ought to be run over once in a while to teach them some manners.

@A10anis

How I can tell you never commuted by bicycle,

"I used to commute by bike, in London, and NO, he didn't deserve it. It also makes it potentially worse for the next bike the driver encounters. Until cyclists stop weaving, ignoring stop signs/lights, using pavements and, my biggest gripe, travelling 2 or 3 abreast, they will get little sympathy. And yes, I did some of those things but I learned, the hard way, not to."

UNTIL cyclists stop "using pavements" they will get little sympathy. Such a car person statement.

>> ^Peroxide:

@A10anis
How I can tell you never commuted by bicycle,
"I used to commute by bike, in London, and NO, he didn't deserve it. It also makes it potentially worse for the next bike the driver encounters. Until cyclists stop weaving, ignoring stop signs/lights, using pavements and, my biggest gripe, travelling 2 or 3 abreast, they will get little sympathy. And yes, I did some of those things but I learned, the hard way, not to."
UNTIL cyclists stop "using pavements" they will get little sympathy. Such a car person statement.


Um, dude, "pavement" is English for "sidewalk".

>> ^ChaosEngine:

There was really no call for that. He wasn't knocked off his bike, he was minorly inconvenienced for a few seconds in traffic. If the situations were reversed (i.e. if the cyclist cut off the car and the car smashed his bike), we'd be screaming murder.
On top of that, for the simple fact that he was cycling in traffic without a helmet, the cyclist is a fucking idiot.


Actually, and counter-intuitively, there's apparently some evidence for wearing helmets to be less safe than going without. See video here.

>> ^moonsammy:


Actually, and counter-intuitively, there's apparently some evidence for wearing helmets to be less safe than going without. See video here.


I've heard that argument before, I wasn't convinced then and I'm not convinced now.

Science!

>> ^Peroxide:

@A10anis
How I can tell you never commuted by bicycle,
"I used to commute by bike, in London, and NO, he didn't deserve it. It also makes it potentially worse for the next bike the driver encounters. Until cyclists stop weaving, ignoring stop signs/lights, using pavements and, my biggest gripe, travelling 2 or 3 abreast, they will get little sympathy. And yes, I did some of those things but I learned, the hard way, not to."
UNTIL cyclists stop "using pavements" they will get little sympathy. Such a car person statement.

Not sure why you focus on semantics, that change nothing regarding my comment. However, you are obviously confused, so let me explain as simply as i can. I used the Phrase "until cyclists stop" because, and I know you may find it strange my friend, that's exactly what I meant. And I used the word pavement because I live in England. Go back to you tube to troll, here we try and make comments that are relevant.

I was a bicycle messenger for 4 years (whence my handle), and yes the driver was being a dick, no he didn't deserve losing his side-view mirror over this, and yes, I'm creating 5 sock puppet accounts today so I can upvote this some more.

One time I got knocked off my bike by a van, and another bike messenger zoomed past and knocked of the drivers's side-view mirror with his radio. A perfect symphony of revenge.

Another time I got badly cut off by the same cabbie three times in a short stretch of road, and I got madder and madder each time. The first time I yelled at him. The second time I banged his hood. The third time I punched through the driver-side window. There were tiny little bits of safety glass on his lips. It was hilarious.

>> ^Payback:

>> ^ghark:
>> ^Payback:
Actually, you can tell there was "words exchanged" so unless you all know what the driver said, let's suspend the calls for blame, shall we?
My flabbergoblin' has gotten me into FAR more crap while driving than it has EVER gotten me out of. I'm just lucky to be 6'3" and 300lbs of really intimidating human.

pound for pound I could definitely take you.

Probably. I did say "intimidating", not "badass psycho MMA God".


oh my bad, I should have hit the sarcasm tag

I think the Bicyclist is right ... before I take my medication and have a good breakfast and shit.

After those things, I will think "Hey let's all get along".


But really, biker car and myself should all kill ourselves and let the plants take back Earth. "RE-AL TALK"

It seemed to me that the driver was trying to block the cyclist's path before we even see the bike. He's pressing into the opposing lane while the other car is still there, trying to narrow the gap.