I love his "let the GOP make assholes out of themselves for a week or so, then smash them over the head for forgetting about the citizens" approach to this.

He does it every time too. Right when every pundit and blogger is second and third guessing him, they forget how many cards he keeps pulling out of his sleeve.

^ I think Wesley Snipes said it best: "Always bet on black."

He makes a really good joke and gets an honest laugh!! ~5 min in. Love oratory skills.

>> ^NetRunner:
^ I think Wesley Snipes said it best: "Always bet on black."

If you ever quote Wesley Snipes in my presence again, I'll smack the Cheetos crumbs right out of your beard...

If the snakeoil-imulus bill passes, it will speed the demise of Obama's media-manufactured credibility and purge Congress of the 'RATS in 2010.

Any GOP'er that goes along with this garbage deserves to join them in the sewer.

But yeah guys you know obama is black right ?

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

What's your point there Westy? Are you being ironic or what?

>> ^westy:
But yeah guys you know obama is black right ?


Wait, what? I thought that it was just poor lighting all this time!

Terrific speech and good advertising for Blackberry once again

"Yes, I may be stealing purchasing power from every holder of US Currency by inflating it, but LOOK at all the GOOD it will do in the short run!"

For every one job government "creates," it "destroys" two elsewhere.

Like in Saudi Arabia ?

I voted for him.

"Terrific speech and good advertising for Blackberry once again " ( Deano)

Black berry

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Double-Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Thursday, February 5th, 2009 9:37pm PST - doublepromote requested by jwray.

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>> ^volumptuous:
>> ^NetRunner:

Please see here.

"Let's put Americans to work doing the work America needs to be done." To be honest, I think it's great to give people jobs, but am I the only person on here that doesn't understand how inventing government jobs is a smart solution that won't aid the growing deficit? And how can placing more federal standards on industries in any way save money? How can spending more money help us? You want to save the economy, I'd recommend looking at ways to allow the people to save more money and spend more money. And this can only be achieved by cutting back on government spending.

It's that dreaded "cut taxes" philosophy that makes my fellow liberal brothers shriek in terror when uttered. But, come on, you could start by cutting payroll taxes and lessening income taxes. Hell, here are a few other places we could start cutting back, too:

Accounts Receivable Tax, Building Permit Tax, CDL license Tax, Cigarette Tax, Corporate Income Tax, Dog License Tax, Excise Taxes, Federal Income Tax, Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA), Fishing License Tax, Food License Tax, Fuel Permit Tax, Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon), Gross Receipts Tax, Hunting License Tax, Inheritance Tax, Inventory Tax, IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax), Liquor Tax, Luxury Taxes, Marriage License Tax, Medicare Tax, Personal Property Tax, Property Tax, Real Estate Tax, Service Charge Tax, Social Security Tax, Road Usage Tax, Sales Tax, Recreational Vehicle Tax, School Tax, State Income Tax, State Unemployment Tax (SUTA), Telephone Federal Excise Tax, Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax, Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes, Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax, Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax, Telephone State and Local Tax, Telephone Usage Charge Tax, Utility Taxes, Vehicle License Registration Tax, Vehicle Sales Tax, Watercraft Registration Tax, Well Permit Tax, Workers Compensation Tax.

But, for some reason the majority of my liberal friends think taxes are just fine and dandy. But, by better funding our government we've created trust fund brats out of politicians. We were warned but refuse to listen.

What really needs to happen is for the government to manage money more responsibly. There isn't a need for tax cuts and there really isn't a need for an increase in taxes. Stop pressing money, stop spending an astronomical amount of military and wham - we'll be doing at least a shred better.

Many European countries have high tax rates of which they also have better school systems and better health care overall. We may have better schools theoretically ; but only if you are able to afford their astronomical prices. Same goes for healthcare if you're one of those many that seem to have millions and millions or one of the 1% that has billions.

This country is just in not ready for a more social democracy - there is too much corruption, the structures (occupational, class, etc)are vastly unbalanced and unchecked and too many people in this country are much too closed-minded to even see how it even effects themselves. Too much of the "majority" think in terms of black & white and launch attacks with generalized criticisms almost seemingly pre-programmed into their synapses; like our good pal' quantummushroom.

I can't believe that republicans... who for years have 'deferred' moving the US forward in favour of more money in their own pockets.

The very attitude that has now put the whole world in crisis off the back of American GOP style greed.

They now want to sit and criticize a plan that would move things forward at the same time as "updating" American infrastructure into the 21st century.

Do they have anything better to offer than more of the same damage they've created? No. Then they should shut the hell up.

>> ^blankfist:
To be honest, I think it's great to give people jobs, but am I the only person on here that doesn't understand how inventing government jobs is a smart solution that won't aid the growing deficit?

Read the bill, 90% of the jobs created will be in the private sector.

And how can placing more federal standards on industries in any way save money?

Here's a simple one: standardize electrical delivery on 120V AC. Now we don't need to worry about crazy conversions whenever we buy a new appliance, or move to a new home.

Then there's always regulating Credit Default Swaps so that there would have to be transparency, letting investors know the real value of what they're holding, so we don't have an economy-killing situation because when companies suddenly realize they don't know what they're worth anymore.

Then there's always the whole thing about not changing the chemistry of our planet's atmosphere and getting everyone killed, but I forgot, you don't believe in chemistry.

How can spending more money help us?

Simple, spending money creates demand. Companies increase their supply to meet demand, hiring more people. More people have money, and spend more, creating more demand. For long-term, we're trying to create durable infrastructure that will help the economy long term (roads, rail, electrical grid upgrades, internet bandwidth upgrades, funding for education, health care, etc.), which will provide a boost when the short-term stimulus ends.

You want to save the economy, I'd recommend looking at ways to allow the people to save more money and spend more money. And this can only be achieved by cutting back on government spending.
It's that dreaded "cut taxes" philosophy that makes my fellow liberal brothers shriek in terror when uttered. But, come on, you could start by cutting payroll taxes and lessening income taxes. Hell, here are a few other places we could start cutting back, too:
Accounts Receivable Tax, Building Permit Tax, CDL license Tax, Cigarette Tax, Corporate Income Tax, Dog License Tax, Excise Taxes, Federal Income Tax, Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA), Fishing License Tax, Food License Tax, Fuel Permit Tax, Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon), Gross Receipts Tax, Hunting License Tax, Inheritance Tax, Inventory Tax, IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax), Liquor Tax, Luxury Taxes, Marriage License Tax, Medicare Tax, Personal Property Tax, Property Tax, Real Estate Tax, Service Charge Tax, Social Security Tax, Road Usage Tax, Sales Tax, Recreational Vehicle Tax, School Tax, State Income Tax, State Unemployment Tax (SUTA), Telephone Federal Excise Tax, Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax, Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes, Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax, Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax, Telephone State and Local Tax, Telephone Usage Charge Tax, Utility Taxes, Vehicle License Registration Tax, Vehicle Sales Tax, Watercraft Registration Tax, Well Permit Tax, Workers Compensation Tax.
But, for some reason the majority of my liberal friends think taxes are just fine and dandy. But, by better funding our government we've created trust fund brats out of politicians. We were warned but refuse to listen.


Again, read the bill. Temporary tax cuts account for more than 1/3 of the bill right now. Most of them are aimed at people who only pay payroll taxes and sales tax (or as the Republicans call this: socialism and payoffs to our voters).

Obama has been talking about cutting spending on programs that don't work since the primary days. He's repeating that promise again now as a way to get the deficit under control in the future. He's also talking about letting Bush's tax cuts expire in 2010, because, well, we do need to pay our debts at some point.

Us liberals don't think taxes are fine and dandy. We think they need to go down for the lower and middle class, and up for the top 1%. We don't think taxes are inherently evil, nor government spending. There are taxes we like, taxes we don't like, and spending we like, and spending we don't like.

We don't understand people who're totally fixated on taxes as if it's their chief burden in life. We think it's childish to constantly bitch about them -- you might as well be screaming and refusing to brush your teeth, or bathe, or eat your vegetables.

It's fine to not like individual things the government spends its money on, but to cry out "cut, we don't care where" is lunacy. Say what you want cut, and try to make a proof that life will get better for people without that thing you cut. Otherwise it's just whining.

^ http://www.videosift.com/video/Dr-Paul-on-the-Senate-Stimulus-Compromise