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Man, I hope he keeps these coming. This will be her undoing.

i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

She makes an excellent point. Really! If evolution is real, why aren't teabaggers evolving into sane people?

She can't do any worse than the RINO retard she usurped or the other team.

Oh, if these Tea Partiers are "guaranteed" to lose against taxocrats, why is the left RUNNING SCARED?

November 2nd.

Because Jesus is coming again soon to rapture them away so they don't care what they do to the earth, besides god gave them dominion over the Earth to rape and pillage it as they please. They don't believe in anthropological global warming anyhow since they don't believe in science, though some of them believe in peak oil which is why they think we need to drill "our own oil" by international companies selling it on the international market... Also he put the oil in the earth already made along with fossils, and accelerated light so that a galaxy 12 billion light years away can be seen now even though the universe is only 6,500 years old, and all that other prof that he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It is that whole god chose the foolish things to confound the wise... and he hid things from the wise and learned and revealed them to children... and all the other excuses they have for explaining such things.

>> ^peggedbea:

i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

yeah yeah ok... sure
but the oil and natural gas barons who fund this tea bagging nonsense publicly acknowledge science and the fossil origins of fossil fuels.

example: i live in on top of a previously impossible to tap natural gas shale. they just discovered how to tap the shit out of that gas. the shale is a huge deal here and has brought a lot development and growth to my adorable little cowtown in the last 3 years or so. so much so in fact, that the natural gas companies funded massive renovations to our science museum. so a room in the museum is now dedicated to the science of natural gas. one of the attractions is a 10 minute long 4D movie about how natural gas got underneath fort worth, and how these genius's are getting it out. the movie takes you back in time all the way to the big bang and fast forwards to different periods, clearly acknowledging that the earth is far far far far older than 6,000 years and that god didn't necessarily have anything to do with it.

soooo, i understand that shaping and funding a movement that denies climate change is good for them, but a wonderful justification for denying the science is the godly origins of the earth... but at the same time they're spending thousands to educate an entire city on the ancientness and godlessness of fossil fuels.....

so nothing about this fits. i've never met a teabagger (and i'm probably more inclined to meet more teabaggers than most of the sift because of my geography) that 1. didn't deny the scientific origins of the universe 2. didn't deny climate change and when hard pressed with facts, didn't resort to "jesus is coming back" and 3. didn't looooooove the shit out of some fossil fuels ...... are they really really just too stupid to notice that the circle doesn't close? this makes me sad.

or is it just a cultural thing?? like, texas has been an oil rich state for over a century now. oil is just kind of embedded in our culture and is just accepted as something positive and a point of pride. and the discussion doesn't go much further than that. i grew up in a city who's football mascot was a fucking oil rig. when i think of symbols that mean texas to me, i see an oil rig. oil=texas. texas=home. home=good. done. thought circle complete. i hope that's it. and it's not just outrageous stupidity and a short few years of brain washing alone. i'm sad.

>> ^RFlagg:

Because Jesus is coming again soon to rapture them away so they don't care what they do to the earth, besides god gave them dominion over the Earth to rape and pillage it as they please. They don't believe in anthropological global warming anyhow since they don't believe in science, though some of them believe in peak oil which is why they think we need to drill "our own oil" by international companies selling it on the international market... Also he put the oil in the earth already made along with fossils, and accelerated light so that a galaxy 12 billion light years away can be seen now even though the universe is only 6,500 years old, and all that other prof that he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It is that whole god chose the foolish things to confound the wise... and he hid things from the wise and learned and revealed them to children... and all the other excuses they have for explaining such things.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

It might be just the local tea baggers here.
To be fair they haven't used the Jesus is coming soon as an excuse to do as they will, but it is something the locals seem to believe. After the election of Obama they actually thought that perhaps that will make Jesus come back sooner...I didn't realize god was so weak that his planned time for sending his son back could be altered by the actions of man, then again they seem to think god is to weak to do his job of convicting people of sins and punishing them for them, so they have to do that work for him... Anyhow, Jesus coming back soon seems to be a common thought, so I extended that to them as an excuse for using fossil fuels.
Very few of the tea baggers I know will acknowledge that global warming has anything to do with human activity. Those that do seem to think it is a very small nearly unmeasurable part of it, with cow farts having far more effect.
None of the tea baggers I know acknowledge the scientific origins of the universe, they may not be young Earth creationist, but they all are of the "design speaks of a designer" mentality. Of the old Earth creationist locally, some go with the gap theory, but most go with a day to god is as a thousand years or more to us. I personally don't know anyone who is a geocentrist.
None of the tea baggers here, home to people have a "MASTERS DEGREE IN COMMUNICATION" run for Stark County Treasurer would seem to believe that the movement is funded by any big companies, and that it is purely a grass roots movement.
Nothing I've seen of the tea baggers on the sift or news makes sense though. I just can't work out their thought process without resorting to religious dogma, and the firm belief that the far right Republican's are the only true Christians and the only ones who should be elected.
I was never a tea bagger, but I used to drink deep of the same sort of kool-aid and glad I am out of that movement now. So it may be indeed a cultural issue... We may just have more idiots incapable of independent thought here. I have been a sad panda for them for some time.

>> ^peggedbea:

yeah yeah ok... sure
but the oil and natural gas barons who fund this tea bagging nonsense publicly acknowledge science and the fossil origins of fossil fuels.
example: i live in on top of a previously impossible to tap natural gas shale. they just discovered how to tap the shit out of that gas. the shale is a huge deal here and has brought a lot development and growth to my adorable little cowtown in the last 3 years or so. so much so in fact, that the natural gas companies funded massive renovations to our science museum. so a room in the museum is now dedicated to the science of natural gas. one of the attractions is a 10 minute long 4D movie about how natural gas got underneath fort worth, and how these genius's are getting it out. the movie takes you back in time all the way to the big bang and fast forwards to different periods, clearly acknowledging that the earth is far far far far older than 6,000 years and that god didn't necessarily have anything to do with it.
soooo, i understand that shaping and funding a movement that denies climate change is good for them, but a wonderful justification for denying the science is the godly origins of the earth... but at the same time they're spending thousands to educate an entire city on the ancientness and godlessness of fossil fuels.....
so nothing about this fits. i've never met a teabagger (and i'm probably more inclined to meet more teabaggers than most of the sift because of my geography) that 1. didn't deny the scientific origins of the universe 2. didn't deny climate change and when hard pressed with facts, didn't resort to "jesus is coming back" and 3. didn't looooooove the shit out of some fossil fuels ...... are they really really just too stupid to notice that the circle doesn't close? this makes me sad.
or is it just a cultural thing?? like, texas has been an oil rich state for over a century now. oil is just kind of embedded in our culture and is just accepted as something positive and a point of pride. and the discussion doesn't go much further than that. i grew up in a city who's football mascot was a fucking oil rig. when i think of symbols that mean texas to me, i see an oil rig. oil=texas. texas=home. home=good. done. thought circle complete. i hope that's it. and it's not just outrageous stupidity and a short few years of brain washing alone. i'm sad.
>> ^RFlagg:
Because Jesus is coming again soon to rapture them away so they don't care what they do to the earth, besides god gave them dominion over the Earth to rape and pillage it as they please. They don't believe in anthropological global warming anyhow since they don't believe in science, though some of them believe in peak oil which is why they think we need to drill "our own oil" by international companies selling it on the international market... Also he put the oil in the earth already made along with fossils, and accelerated light so that a galaxy 12 billion light years away can be seen now even though the universe is only 6,500 years old, and all that other prof that he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It is that whole god chose the foolish things to confound the wise... and he hid things from the wise and learned and revealed them to children... and all the other excuses they have for explaining such things.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

Monkeys did not turn in to humans and never will. We have a common ancestor, which was neither monkey nor human; some if its descendants eventually became human, some eventually became monkeys. Each descendant currently survives in conditions that would most likely kill the other one very quickly (minus technological assistance, of course). O'Donnell is ignorance squared--not even well informed enough to pose a valid question, not to mention find a reality-based answer.

Myth:

1.

• a. A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth.
  
  
  • b. Such stories considered as a group: the realm of myth.

2.

• A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal: a star whose fame turned her into a myth; the pioneer myth of suburbia.

3.

• A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.

4.

• A fictitious story, person, or thing: "German artillery superiority on the Western Front was a myth" (Leon Wolff).

I am now (as if I wasn't before) 100% sure, that this woman is one of 2 things:

1- Mentally Challenged or at least with a very very low IQ
2- The product of being raised by morons

In any case... good luck americans. I hope you dodge yet another bullet.

>> ^EMPIRE:


1- Mentally Challenged or at least with a very very low IQ
2- The product of being raised by morons

You write that as if they are mutually exclusive.

Ignorance is only bliss for the ignorant.

>> ^Fantomas:

>> ^EMPIRE:

1- Mentally Challenged or at least with a very very low IQ
2- The product of being raised by morons

You write that as if they are mutually exclusive.


Hmm... I guess you're right. I stand corrected.

>> ^Fantomas:

She makes an excellent point. Really! If evolution is real, why aren't teabaggers evolving into sane people?

Actually both are invalid points, and Maher isnt really making sense in the video either. As I never tire of mentioning:


1. We did not evolve from monkeys (or from chimps or bonobos or gorillas) we evolved alongside them. They evolved, we evolved, fruit evolved, and so on. Its not a matter of time as Maher implies, because monkeys would never, even if you could watch them evolve and reproduce for a billion years, then turn back time and replay the tape a billion times, evolve into humans. Which brings me to...

2: Evolution is not directed towards a specific goal or goals. if that was true, there are something like 10 million separate "goals" on this planet, species that undoubtably will, in the fullness of time, join in death the 99.9% of all "goals" that are now extinct, either by outright extinction, or by evolving into subspecies that look nothing like them.

EDIT: thats not to say I didn't understand the joke, btw

I just wanted to say -- FINALLY -- someone gets it.

As for the "joke", it wasn't very funny. While I don't find O'Donnell particularly intelligent, or amusing, he took what she said out of context.

Not to defend her, what she actually meant to get across was this:
If monkeys evolved into Humans, why are monkey's still around? She messed up when she asked this, and Maher made an equally dumb comment on what she said, but everyone gave him a pass. As you said, we didn't, in fact, evolve from monkeys. And Maher is an imbecile in his own right for alluding to that we did.

As for the other guys comment about tea baggers and sanity, he/she needs to understand that just because someone has a different view of life/set of opinions than he/she does, doesn't make them insane, retarded, stupid, or otherwise. I'm so sick of this kind of crap on Sift and other such boards. Not for nothing, but the media loves to sensationalize the idiocy of society. You almost never see a regular democrat/liberal, republican/neocon or tea bagger in the news...you always see the extreme idiot that makes them all look stupid.

>> ^BicycleRepairMan:

>> ^Fantomas:
She makes an excellent point. Really! If evolution is real, why aren't teabaggers evolving into sane people?

Actually both are invalid points, and Maher isnt really making sense in the video either. As I never tire of mentioning:

1. We did not evolve from monkeys (or from chimps or bonobos or gorillas) we evolved alongside them. They evolved, we evolved, fruit evolved, and so on. Its not a matter of time as Maher implies, because monkeys would never, even if you could watch them evolve and reproduce for a billion years, then turn back time and replay the tape a billion times, evolve into humans. Which brings me to...
2: Evolution is not directed towards a specific goal or goals. if that was true, there are something like 10 million separate "goals" on this planet, species that undoubtably will, in the fullness of time, join in death the 99.9% of all "goals" that are now extinct, either by outright extinction, or by evolving into subspecies that look nothing like them.
EDIT: thats not to say I didn't understand the joke, btw

Or, why hasn't survival of fittest selected against them already?

>> ^Fantomas:

She makes an excellent point. Really! If evolution is real, why aren't teabaggers evolving into sane people?

Darwin is wrong. When you look at the Cambrian explosion, for the most part everything suddenly appears during this event is such a rapid time frame. Darwin's theory alone can not explain this event. You go from bacteria type to animals. However we all see that each species adapts and evolves as is needed.



Cambrian explosion.

>> ^bobknight33:

Darwin is wrong. When you look at the Cambrian explosion, for the most part everything suddenly appears during this event is such a rapid time frame. Darwin's theory alone can not explain this event. You go from bacteria type to animals. However we all see that each species adapts and evolves as is needed.

Cambrian explosion.


Quote from the Wikipedia article you link to: "Over the following 70 or 80 million years the rate of evolution accelerated by an order of magnitude (as defined in terms of the extinction and origination rate of species) and the diversity of life began to resemble today’s."

Considering homo sapiens only appeared around 200 000 years ago, with the latest common ancestor between chimpanzees and humans existing about 4-7 million years ago, 70-80 million years seems like a fracking long time. So if humans evolved in 4-7 million, why couldn't there be an explosion of many but less intelligent/more primitive species over a 70-80 million years period? Plus, the explosion of rationality in modern humans looks to me way more problematic that an explosion of multicellular life considering the humongous advantages of multicellular organisms. They simply had to hit the right balance/combination once, and they did about 580 million years ago.

i wish i could feel that way that "the news media sensationalizes" this stuff, but my reality is that

1. i dont own a television to get sensationalized by. literally the only exposure i have to the "news" media and popular culture is through my sporadic bouts of sifting (i'll go 2 weeks and watch a bunch videos or i'll 2 months and watch 1), or whatever my facebook friends post and i chose to watch.

2. i live/work for/am related to/ very literally surrounded by people with this world view constantly. there is at least one tea party rally at least once a month here. there are right now, literally, 6 tea bagger signs in peoples front yards on my street alone. i do realize this is kind of a very loud minority movement. and that in other parts of the country, or the world at large, this just seems like a few people who are being pumped up by the media to look like dumbshits for profit. but the reality in, what i imagine is most of the southern states, is that this shit is absolutely everywhere. and it is having an extremely real impact on legislation and education, especially in texas (which will impact the education of 46-48 other states because of its sheer size, spending power, population and influence). the growth and popularity of this movement, particularly in texas, is having a very real and lasting and detrimental impact on what will eventually be the rest of the world. (with the dumbing down and godifying of educational standards, which has already happened, and the intense popularization of climate change denial, and making science denialism a populist movement).
and while i love the people i know who buy into this, and empathize with the fear and misguided hatred of the government, i can say with some authority that this world view is absolutely, detrimentally, batshit. and one that feeds and thrives and exploits ignorance and fear.

>> ^hPOD:

As for the other guys comment about tea baggers and sanity, he/she needs to understand that just because someone has a different view of life/set of opinions than he/she does, doesn't make them insane, retarded, stupid, or otherwise. I'm so sick of this kind of crap on Sift and other such boards. Not for nothing, but the media loves to sensationalize the idiocy of society. You almost never see a regular democrat/liberal, republican/neocon or tea bagger in the news...you always see the extreme idiot that makes them all look stupid.

Look, Christine: education is true, and there are still morons.

>> ^bobknight33:

Darwin is wrong. When you look at the Cambrian explosion, for the most part everything suddenly appears during this event is such a rapid time frame. Darwin's theory alone can not explain this event. You go from bacteria type to animals. However we all see that each species adapts and evolves as is needed.

Cambrian explosion.


"Sudden" in the Cambrian Explosion context means everything but what we normally think of as sudden. When biologist say sudden, they are talking about tens of millions of years. compared to hundreds of millions of years that are relatively uneventful evolutionary speaking, 10-100 million years of faster changes look "sudden" and "explosive". This effect is due to the fact that evolution occasionally reaches an equilibrium, where a stable environment ensures that the balance in nature stays the same over very, very long periods, followed by new "explosions". This is called punctuated equilibrium. This effect is actually exactly what you would expect from Darwins theory, and attempts at computer-modelling evolution has show this effect. Take a look at a video I posted a while back to see this effect: Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker

This is a geographical phenomenon. Where I live, there are nothing but far left liberals that bother protesting, holding signs in the streets, etc. However, I never hear a peep out of what I'd consider the common every day democrat (such as my parents), their honest thoughts, etc. It's always the extremes that have the loudest -- and usually most annoying -- voices.

Also, keep in mind that if the only exposure you have to the news media and pop culture is through sifting (or the Internet), than you are only seeing the most sensational of the sensationalized, and the most popular of pop culture.

You completely lose me, however, when you say people are misguided because they fear, hate, or distrust the government. To top it off, you claim to say this with authority? Far be it for me to correct you on this, but no, you don't. You simply say it because you can, and it's of your opinion, and the word authority doesn't belong anywhere in the sentence. Now, I realize you worded it that way to add emphasis, but there are better ways to add emphasis other than to elect yourself the authoritative voice of reason on VS. Keep this in mind, the reason that this country (and many others) exist, is because of this misguided distrust, fear and hate of governments the world over. Sometimes this distrust, fear, or hate is within reason and is counter-detrimental and necessary. I'm not saying it is or not, as I do not know yet. But time will tell.

>> ^peggedbea:

i wish i could feel that way that "the news media sensationalizes" this stuff, but my reality is that
1. i dont own a television to get sensationalized by. literally the only exposure i have to the "news" media and popular culture is through my sporadic bouts of sifting (i'll go 2 weeks and watch a bunch videos or i'll 2 months and watch 1), or whatever my facebook friends post and i chose to watch.
2. i live/work for/am related to/ very literally surrounded by people with this world view constantly. there is at least one tea party rally at least once a month here. there are right now, literally, 6 tea bagger signs in peoples front yards on my street alone. i do realize this is kind of a very loud minority movement. and that in other parts of the country, or the world at large, this just seems like a few people who are being pumped up by the media to look like dumbshits for profit. but the reality in, what i imagine is most of the southern states, is that this shit is absolutely everywhere. and it is having an extremely real impact on legislation and education, especially in texas (which will impact the education of 46-48 other states because of its sheer size, spending power, population and influence). the growth and popularity of this movement, particularly in texas, is having a very real and lasting and detrimental impact on what will eventually be the rest of the world. (with the dumbing down and godifying of educational standards, which has already happened, and the intense popularization of climate change denial, and making science denialism a populist movement).
and while i love the people i know who buy into this, and empathize with the fear and misguided hatred of the government, i can say with some authority that this world view is absolutely, detrimentally, batshit. and one that feeds and thrives and exploits ignorance and fear.
>> ^hPOD:
As for the other guys comment about tea baggers and sanity, he/she needs to understand that just because someone has a different view of life/set of opinions than he/she does, doesn't make them insane, retarded, stupid, or otherwise. I'm so sick of this kind of crap on Sift and other such boards. Not for nothing, but the media loves to sensationalize the idiocy of society. You almost never see a regular democrat/liberal, republican/neocon or tea bagger in the news...you always see the extreme idiot that makes them all look stupid.