Ya, Fix that, already!

Warcraft has such a HUGE lore with hundreds of damn characters from tons of different media that they have to put into their MMO. On the one hand it's cool to draw from all this stuff on the other they've had to rewrite a TON of lore and they just forget other parts of it.

That being said I watched this Blizzcon thing and most questioners were self important demanding nobodies who weren't looking at this new awesome world blizz created that has a ton of cool new stuff. They were just whining and complaining about meaningless nothings...everything to them was a personal transgression. Blizzard should just start out every question with the questioner having to be on his knees and thanking them for creating the best MMO ever and for constantly making it interesting.

Honestly some of the most entitled people in the world are Gamers. Go outside jackasses.

I was at Blizzcon, but sadly didn't attend this Q&A. I mostly just go and play games, but we watched some of the SC2 pro matches.

Yogi is spot on with people asking questions like this. They didn't really answer it at all and he doesn't care. It's just a "look how well I know the lore, I picked up on a mistake no one else did".

I seem to remember comic book guy asking a question like this on the Simpsons. And there was a Shatner sketch on SNL way back with a similar setup.

Frink: Yes, over here, [...] in Episode BF12, you were battling barbarians while riding a winged Appaloosa, yet in the very next scene, my dear, you're clearly atop a winged Arabian! Please do explain it!

Lucy Lawless: Uh, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that... a wizard did it.

Frink: Yes, alright, yes, in episode AG04-"

Lucy Lawless: Wizard!

- The Simpsons, "Treehouse of Horror X"

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There but for the grace of God go I.

-- Retro, previous hardcore MMO gamer who woke the FUCK UP in time.

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>> ^Yogi:

Warcraft has such a HUGE lore with hundreds of damn characters from tons of different media that they have to put into their MMO. On the one hand it's cool to draw from all this stuff on the other they've had to rewrite a TON of lore and they just forget other parts of it.
That being said I watched this Blizzcon thing and most questioners were self important demanding nobodies who weren't looking at this new awesome world blizz created that has a ton of cool new stuff. They were just whining and complaining about meaningless nothings...everything to them was a personal transgression. Blizzard should just start out every question with the questioner having to be on his knees and thanking them for creating the best MMO ever and for constantly making it interesting.
Honestly some of the most entitled people in the world are Gamers. Go outside jackasses.


I see we have some blizzard fans in the house?

From my unbiased viewpoint, i think blizzard ought to be apologising for taking MMO's down the horrendously easy, cheap duplication of instances/events to keep the masses grazing, everyone gets every piece of loot they want, low skilled, low risk....road.

It's funny how opinions can differ so much. I've always found wow to be completely inferior to the precursors such as everquest(1) and DAOC. Those games gave you the utmost pride in your time investment. It was difficult, it took time, but that was the journey, and the end game was difficult and rare, so when you got there and when you got that loot, and when you just managed to beat a 'raid instance' for lack of a better term, you felt unique. It was difficult enough to GET to that required level anyway - this weeded out the idiots, ninja looters, etc. because once you showed yourself to be an idiot or a ninja looter (or whatever), everyone got to know about it.

I really hate being death_knight_clone_3234 with <best weapon 01> and <full armour set tier x>. The levelling journey is the most fun thing about wow to me, and that lasts all of a week or two. Far too easy, and as such, not even worth the retail purchase to me.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Yogi:
Warcraft has such a HUGE lore with hundreds of damn characters from tons of different media that they have to put into their MMO. On the one hand it's cool to draw from all this stuff on the other they've had to rewrite a TON of lore and they just forget other parts of it.
That being said I watched this Blizzcon thing and most questioners were self important demanding nobodies who weren't looking at this new awesome world blizz created that has a ton of cool new stuff. They were just whining and complaining about meaningless nothings...everything to them was a personal transgression. Blizzard should just start out every question with the questioner having to be on his knees and thanking them for creating the best MMO ever and for constantly making it interesting.
Honestly some of the most entitled people in the world are Gamers. Go outside jackasses.

I see we have some blizzard fans in the house?
From my unbiased viewpoint, i think blizzard ought to be apologising for taking MMO's down the horrendously easy, cheap duplication of instances/events to keep the masses grazing, everyone gets every piece of loot they want, low skilled, low risk....road.


Unbiased Viewpoint? You have to be retarded to start out a rebuke with that bullshit. Also what did I just say about Gamers being "Entitled Jackasses". Thanks for proving me right you entitled jackass.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Yogi:
Warcraft has such a HUGE lore with hundreds of damn characters from tons of different media that they have to put into their MMO. On the one hand it's cool to draw from all this stuff on the other they've had to rewrite a TON of lore and they just forget other parts of it.
That being said I watched this Blizzcon thing and most questioners were self important demanding nobodies who weren't looking at this new awesome world blizz created that has a ton of cool new stuff. They were just whining and complaining about meaningless nothings...everything to them was a personal transgression. Blizzard should just start out every question with the questioner having to be on his knees and thanking them for creating the best MMO ever and for constantly making it interesting.
Honestly some of the most entitled people in the world are Gamers. Go outside jackasses.

I see we have some blizzard fans in the house?
From my unbiased viewpoint, i think blizzard ought to be apologising for taking MMO's down the horrendously easy, cheap duplication of instances/events to keep the masses grazing, everyone gets every piece of loot they want, low skilled, low risk....road.

Unbiased Viewpoint? You have to be retarded to start out a rebuke with that bullshit. Also what did I just say about Gamers being "Entitled Jackasses". Thanks for proving me right you entitled jackass.


What are you talking about? I list off a bunch of reasons why i dislike a game and that's biased? Especially compared to someone saying "people should get on their knees to blizzard for making teh beast game evarrrrr!!!"

At what point did i demand that they change their game for me? As far as i can see, i said that i didn't like the way they took the MMO genre. Entitled jackass is right, but i think you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

Have at it, you won't hear another peep from me. God forbid i dislike something you like and explain what i prefer.

This is why I can't help but doubt the whole "Geek is chic", "nerdcore" scene. When I was growing up, nerds were not cool. That's easy enough. But the #1 defining characteristic of being a nerd, geek, etc, was not your knowledge of computers or whether-or-not you played D&D, it was that you WERE NOT COOL... Period. Very, very few other people respected any additional intelligence, skill or natural talent you might have had. You were just a nerd and tried to keep your head low so that nobody beat the shit out of you.

Now we have this whole scene of in-shape, good looking hipsters that wear non-prescription glasses and talk about what a geek they were in high-school because they were in drama whatever. Yeah, everyone feels like they were pretty stupid in high-school once they get out into the real world a learn a thing or two.

Then we have this guy. Would most people look forward to sitting around talking trolls with this guy for a few hours? No. He's socially awkward and that's the whole fucking point. I'm sure he has good friends that respect and love him and I'm sure he's a great guy, but the dude is not chic. He's not "core". And most likely, he never freaking will be. This video is proof. It's only much later in life that most of us learn to respect people for who they are and for what they are truly worth.

Point: If you have to tell people what a geek you were or are, you probably never were and never will be. Let's let the geeks and nerds of the world have at least one fucking thing we don't take away from them.

@Ryjkyj chill out man

Thanks. I needed that.

better = youtube

Vote with your wallet. If you don't like it, don't play it.
>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^Yogi:
Warcraft has such a HUGE lore with hundreds of damn characters from tons of different media that they have to put into their MMO. On the one hand it's cool to draw from all this stuff on the other they've had to rewrite a TON of lore and they just forget other parts of it.
That being said I watched this Blizzcon thing and most questioners were self important demanding nobodies who weren't looking at this new awesome world blizz created that has a ton of cool new stuff. They were just whining and complaining about meaningless nothings...everything to them was a personal transgression. Blizzard should just start out every question with the questioner having to be on his knees and thanking them for creating the best MMO ever and for constantly making it interesting.
Honestly some of the most entitled people in the world are Gamers. Go outside jackasses.

I see we have some blizzard fans in the house?
From my unbiased viewpoint, i think blizzard ought to be apologising for taking MMO's down the horrendously easy, cheap duplication of instances/events to keep the masses grazing, everyone gets every piece of loot they want, low skilled, low risk....road.

Unbiased Viewpoint? You have to be retarded to start out a rebuke with that bullshit. Also what did I just say about Gamers being "Entitled Jackasses". Thanks for proving me right you entitled jackass.

What are you talking about? I list off a bunch of reasons why i dislike a game and that's biased? Especially compared to someone saying "people should get on their knees to blizzard for making teh beast game evarrrrr!!!"
At what point did i demand that they change their game for me? As far as i can see, i said that i didn't like the way they took the MMO genre. Entitled jackass is right, but i think you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction.
Have at it, you won't hear another peep from me. God forbid i dislike something you like and explain what i prefer.

@gwiz665 - and i don't. Would you begrudge me a conversation about it, however?

@dannym3141 Cartainly not. Discussions are always a good thing, I am just annoyed with people on both extremes of the issue - people who condemn the game, because they don't like it or it is different than the type of game they like, and fanboys protecting it with beak and claw.

Some people feel to entitled to things they are not entitled to. "Rogues are underpowered, this is a personal attack on me.. blah blah" those kinda people

I think it's a good game, better than most, but in the end, if I don't enjoy it anymore, as it has been for a while, I just don't play it and vote with my wallet.

I guess I'm just the flaccid middle part in this, calling for everyone to calm down.

No offense intended.

I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT COMPUTER GAMES AND I VOTE!!!

>> ^Retroboy:

There but for the grace of God go I.

I love Flogging Molly.

@gwiz665 but if you enjoy a game then you endorse it, and if you dislike a game then you 'condemn' it. That's how peer review works and how a game becomes successful or fails. I think i was quite reasonable in my assessment, you can agree or disagree with me but to say my argument is invalid because it's 'extreme' is a bit unfair, i was hardly a frothing lunatic shouting blizzard down.

... I play minecraft... w/ Chrome open in the background so I can look up how to make shit I forget how to make.

... this guy is > nerd than me.

Now now, I never said your argument was invalid. I just suggested that voting with your wallet was a better way.

Some people, and I'm not suggesting that you a such a person, dislike some games on principle, without necessarily trying it, and condemn it publicly and loudly, with whatever observation they've heard on forums somewhere. "It has dumbed down gaming", "it's addictive and thus of the devil", "It's too easy", "cool people quit it again" and so on.

There's a clear indicator that WoW is a better game than say Everquest - 12 million subscribers. Sure, you can like Everquest better and popularity is not directly translated into quality (as we sifters know well), but still there must be a reason that it's blown every single other MMO out of the water, subscribers-wise.

From my unbiased viewpoint, i think blizzard ought to be apologising for taking MMO's down the horrendously easy, cheap duplication of instances/events to keep the masses grazing, everyone gets every piece of loot they want, low skilled, low risk....road.


This isn't really a "reasonable assessment", I think. It's like saying that "Toyota should apologize for taking the muscle and the skill out of driving a big honking car!"

They haven't taken MMO's down anything, they only make WoW and they try to make the most game experience out of the content they do make - would it be smarter to only have the hardmodes of every instance instead? That would make it a lot more difficult to get the loot, thus making you feel more unique, punish the noobs etc etc. I don't agree with this at all.

Other companies are very welcome to make games with other philosophies than what WoW brings to the table and a lot have tried, but making something FUN while being HARD is difficult to master. Blizzard does a good job, because, among other things, they offer success and loot at different "tiers" of difficulty. WoW is still hard as fuck if you only play the really hard parts.

From my own biased point of view (since I like the shit out of the game) it does offer quite a bit of gameplay just for leveling, more than many other single player games out there - the single player leveling experience with a single character is longer than contemporary fantasy game Elder Scrolls: Oblivion for instance, and far longer than some other genres like FPS games. That in itself makes it worth the retail price to me. Time/cash is better than most games.

Anyway, to each his own. Some people like D&D better than AD&D, and that's just taste difference. This is where it comes back to "vote with your wallet".

>> ^dannym3141:

@gwiz665 but if you enjoy a game then you endorse it, and if you dislike a game then you 'condemn' it. That's how peer review works and how a game becomes successful or fails. I think i was quite reasonable in my assessment, you can agree or disagree with me but to say my argument is invalid because it's 'extreme' is a bit unfair, i was hardly a frothing lunatic shouting blizzard down.

@gwiz665 i think you've completely missed the point with the "get on their knees" nonsense. It was plucked straight out of the comment that started the whole thing. It was someone else's rediculous metaphor turned around and half your post is trying to take that apart. I didn't think it needed an addendum, i had hoped it was obvious.

As for the first half, i'd just like to mention that sales figures in today's world are always going to be weighted due to the proliferation of PCs and the HUGE boom in internet access across the whole world. A million subscribers in, say, 1999 is 10 million less than in 2009, but it's a bit like saying black and white tv's were rubbish because colour tv's outsold them 10:1 - the factors that affect the sales figures have exponentially increased in the time period - it's not just the proliferation of PC's (which is huge in itself), but the speed of internet connections, the accessibility of the internet, the medium through which the game can be released, advertisements (which increase as other media popularity increases - more tvs = more people seeing adverts, etc.) - i won't continue, you can imagine for yourself.

I think the reason wow has blown all other mmo's out of the water is that, at the time, there was no competition - the market and timing was perfect for (at minimum) a playable mmo with acceptable graphics and wow was there. It was made with a decent level of competency and released with few bugs. It pandered to people's immediate wants from the game (ie. i want loot right this instant) and diluted the feeling of achievement by doing so. I never said wow wasn't very skillfully made - the methods it uses to keep people playing are brilliant. However i subscribe to the view that people don't know what is best for them, and getting their desires in the short term turned out to make a less fulfilling long term.

And finally, i've been to the hardest hardest parts of wow, and even the most disgustingly difficult parts of it are only as tricky as some of the moderate encounters in (hate to use this as an example again, but it's really the only one i have) everquest. I would even go further as to say that a HUGE part of the difficulty in wow lies around random numbers - sometimes you will get hit for a huge amount, or 2 abilities will trigger at the same time, or 2 aoe effects land in the same spot, or 2 of your priests/whatever are targetted with an ability, etc. Those are my experiences with wow, and i was at the forefront of freshly released content up until the one after they recycled naxxramas and charged me for it. And every time we ploughed through the content, i'd cancel my account again and go back into hibernation.

Anyhow. If your only point is "vote with your wallet", i think you can skip that. As i've said - i did, but i see no harm in mentioning what i prefer in an mmo as well. The two are not mutually exclusive.

@gwiz665 - Forgot to add, 1 million subscribers in 1999 as a percentage of people who had access to a pc was pretty high. Especially factoring in that the balance of mmo-capable pc/internet owners who were in the age range to play an mmo was nearer parity than nowadays. The internet now is far more a realm for the young. And we all know who buys the most games.

@dannym3141 Actually, the average gamer age is around 34 ( http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp ).

I remember doing the Eye as a warlock and having to tank that one dude. That was awesome.

Anyway, what would you like to see in an MMO (instead of what don't you like in wow)?

@gwiz665 i'd be very surprised if the average age of the power users of an mmo was 34. And again, there was nothing wrong with many of the fights, but they were all (except cthun) too easy and they were up every week for you to farm back down again.

I cba typing it again - what i prefer is the opposite of what i criticise in wow.

You, sir,

>> ^Ryjkyj:

This is why I can't help but doubt the whole "Geek is chic", "nerdcore" scene. When I was growing up, nerds were not cool. That's easy enough. But the #1 defining characteristic of being a nerd, geek, etc, was not your knowledge of computers or whether-or-not you played D&D, it was that you WERE NOT COOL... Period. Very, very few other people respected any additional intelligence, skill or natural talent you might have had. You were just a nerd and tried to keep your head low so that nobody beat the shit out of you.
Now we have this whole scene of in-shape, good looking hipsters that wear non-prescription glasses and talk about what a geek they were in high-school because they were in drama whatever. Yeah, everyone feels like they were pretty stupid in high-school once they get out into the real world a learn a thing or two.
Then we have this guy. Would most people look forward to sitting around talking trolls with this guy for a few hours? No. He's socially awkward and that's the whole fucking point. I'm sure he has good friends that respect and love him and I'm sure he's a great guy, but the dude is not chic. He's not "core". And most likely, he never freaking will be. This video is proof. It's only much later in life that most of us learn to respect people for who they are and for what they are truly worth.
Point: If you have to tell people what a geek you were or are, you probably never were and never will be. Let's let the geeks and nerds of the world have at least one fucking thing we don't take away from them.

The red shirt guy has spoken: http://videosift.com/video/Red-Shirt-Guy-responds-to-his-Blizzcon-2010-Video