Awesome stuff.

I hate with a passion those who espouse not giving their kids vaccinations, especially those who do so based on here-say or what a 'friend told them' without ever looking into it.

Vaccines keep us safe, they have eradicated many diseases that would otherwise be killing us by the thousands or millions.

So while it's good to keep a sceptical eye on things at all times stopping things like vaccines without having any fricken idea why you are other than some uninformed dicks told you it was dangerous is just horrendous.

It's the same people who take homoeopathic medicines instead of actually doing anything to get cured of life threatening illnesses.

And if you think "So what, what difference does it make?"

"Immunization rates in Britain dropped from 92 percent to 73 percent, and were as low as 50 percent in some parts of London. The effect was not nearly as dramatic in the United States, but researchers have estimated that as many as 125,000 U.S. children born in the late 1990s did not get the MMR vaccine because of the Wakefield splash."

"Since Dr. Andrew Wakefield's study was released in 1998, many parents have been convinced the measels, mumps and rubella vaccine could lead to autism. But that study may have done more harm than good. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in the United States, more cases of measles were reported in 2008 than any year since 1997. More than 90 percent of those infected had not been vaccinated, or their vaccination status was not known."[91]

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I would like to mate with her vigorously. Again and again and again. SO.... where we at siftbot...

[throws bucket of cold water on BoneRemake]

PBS did a great doc on this: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/vaccines/view/

When BoneyD fixes the embed, you can watch it here too:
http://videosift.com/video/Frontline-The-Vaccine-War-58

Our children's doctor here in Germany called discussing whether or not to vaccinate, "a rich white person's luxury".

Cute chick.

Great post.

Pfft, what do scientists know that Jenny McCarthy doesn't eh?

Wasn't there a story recently about Adsense suspending accounts for violating agreements when the channel operator acknowledges payment for the amount of ads hit,... or something like this?

There was a time (just a few years back) here on videosift that the overwhelming sentiment was anti-vaccine and most of the people here had never heard of Andrew Wakefield. I am happy to see things have changed.

>> ^spoco2:
Awesome stuff.
I hate with a passion those who espouse not giving their kids vaccinations, especially those who do so based on here-say or what a 'friend told them' without ever looking into it.
Vaccines keep us safe, they have eradicated many diseases that would otherwise be killing us by the thousands or millions.
So while it's good to keep a sceptical eye on things at all times stopping things like vaccines without having any fricken idea why you are other than some uninformed dicks told you it was dangerous is just horrendous.
It's the same people who take homoeopathic medicines instead of actually doing anything to get cured of life threatening illnesses.


Eradicated diseases? No, the vaccines have suppressed many diseases, but have not eradicated them. If vaccines "Utterly destroyed" the maladies then the vaccines would no longer be needed and you would be advocating their uselessness.

The diseases are still around, and will continue to be around. Vaccines, no matter how good, will always be weaker than nature's wrath.

I blame this on the community of health and science for one reason. Autism is spiking, as are so many other diseases, and the answer to the question of why is pretty much an "I don't know the answer. But I will fail to give a possible answer that is believable, and additionally I will sell our opinion without any fanfare or exictement at all. It will be like a box of shit, but then, we don't know if it is manmade shit or not, but enjoy the shit nevertheless."

Also, if someone doesn't have the answers, people will temporarily fill in the blanks for them. It is our nature, it has been the way of man for 30 thousand years. It is how science advances (Temporary thoughts or theories.) Even the smartest, liberal minds do this everyday... So you cannot really hate people who guessed vaccines were bad.

You can however hate them now that the evidence contradicts their guesses.

>> ^MycroftHomlz:

There was a time (just a few years back) here on videosift that the overwhelming sentiment was anti-vaccine and most of the people here had never heard of Andrew Wakefield. I am happy to see things have changed.


I know I had some questions until I became aware of the dutch study on it. It pays to question that stuff you put into your body, like corn sugar, fast food, ect. Not exactly the same, but you get the idea.

>> ^spoco2:
Awesome stuff.
I hate with a passion those who espouse not giving their kids vaccinations, especially those who do so based on here-say or what a 'friend told them' without ever looking into it.
Vaccines keep us safe, they have eradicated many diseases that would otherwise be killing us by the thousands or millions.
So while it's good to keep a sceptical eye on things at all times stopping things like vaccines without having any fricken idea why you are other than some uninformed dicks told you it was dangerous is just horrendous.
It's the same people who take homoeopathic medicines instead of actually doing anything to get cured of life threatening illnesses.


The reason I bring up the significance of "eradicate" is--People honestly think that when a vaccine works, its use can be stopped because the disease is gone for good. This cannot be further from the truth!

Those not vaccinated will be even more susceptible to diseases! Where nature once thinned the herd and built up resistance naturally, nowadays there is either a pill for every near-fatal malady or death.

Why did Rebecca say, "Misogynistic sort of bile." I mean the responses on her Youtube video were about equal, 50% man, 50% woman. To say the comments were female hating? The comments were perhaps violent, perhaps directed at a female, but to say misogynistic? Still confuses me... Hatred and ignorance is equal opportunity.

Perhaps women have, in this egalitarian society, become nearly as violent and ignorant as men and Rebecca just didn't notice? At any rate, Rebecca had no reason to put that malevolence in a video about vaccines...

Also, this reminds me of the time I had my Small Pox vaccine... Felt as if I would die... But I was warned that 1 out of every 10000 would have a severe reaction---and I guess I had to be that guy... But then, no vaccine causes reactions right? (Or is it a case-by-case basis?)

Small pox is gone. So yes, eradication is possible given persistence and commitment.

Weaker than natures wrath? That is some mighty fine grandstanding there, going for the nomination of best dramatic comment . Frankly, medicine and food are the two most important areas science has advanced. For instance, mortality rates for mothers giving birth is less than 1%, down from nearly 10% so many years ago. And this malevolent force of nature to which you refer hasn't struck every first born yet.


I agree with the jist of your comment mostly, though. If my child just got diagnosed with autism, I would be looking for answers, and vaccines would seem to be a smart place to look, strange men in lab coats poking children with needles is an easy target.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^spoco2:
Awesome stuff.
I hate with a passion those who espouse not giving their kids vaccinations, especially those who do so based on here-say or what a 'friend told them' without ever looking into it.
Vaccines keep us safe, they have eradicated many diseases that would otherwise be killing us by the thousands or millions.
So while it's good to keep a sceptical eye on things at all times stopping things like vaccines without having any fricken idea why you are other than some uninformed dicks told you it was dangerous is just horrendous.
It's the same people who take homoeopathic medicines instead of actually doing anything to get cured of life threatening illnesses.

Eradicated diseases? No, the vaccines have suppressed many diseases, but have not eradicated them. If vaccines "Utterly destroyed" the maladies then the vaccines would no longer be needed and you would be advocating their uselessness.
The diseases are still around, and will continue to be around. Vaccines, no matter how good, will always be weaker than nature's wrath.
I blame this on the community of health and science for one reason. Autism is spiking, as are so many other diseases, and the answer to the question of why is pretty much an "I don't know the answer. But I will fail to give a possible answer that is believable, and additionally I will sell our opinion without any fanfare or exictement at all. It will be like a box of shit, but then, we don't know if it is manmade shit or not, but enjoy the shit nevertheless."
Also, if someone doesn't have the answers, people will temporarily fill in the blanks for them. It is our nature, it has been the way of man for 30 thousand years. It is how science advances (Temporary thoughts or theories.) Even the smartest, liberal minds do this everyday... So you cannot really hate people who guessed vaccines were bad.
You can however hate them now that the evidence contradicts their guesses.

Well, @Lawdeedaw many diseases cannot exist in a vacuum, that is without any susceptible hosts. Vaccine builds up an individual's immune system such that you are no longer a susceptible host. If enough people get a given vaccine the affected disease can be eradicated.

People used to be so stupid back in the 00s...
>> ^MycroftHomlz:

There was a time (just a few years back) here on videosift that the overwhelming sentiment was anti-vaccine and most of the people here had never heard of Andrew Wakefield. I am happy to see things have changed.

I should note that I am pro-vaccine and hope no one misunderstood my position on the matter.

@Gwiz--a lot of diseases simply evolve, and a lot can and do last years without a host, or they live within an unknowing host. Also, there will always be hosts available because there is a certain impossibility with vaccinating everyone in the world. 7 billion is a great a number…

@Geesus Freak--I agree with everything you said. When I speak of nature's wrath, I am speaking of the impossibility of overcoming nature in many circumstances.

And well researched, you got me on the eradication of smallpox. Smallpox, thankfully, seems to be one of those diseases that, while highly contagious without vaccines, was pretty much dead without active hosts. So we can be grateful that smallpox's severe limitations and the vaccine killed it off. I will also add that we eradicated rinderpest too (A cattle disease.)

(Although undocumented cases of smallpox may exist, I have to agree with you, since the proof does not support my old position--it is possible that two diseases have been eradicated.)

However, I am not impressed that we got rid of one infectious disease that targets humans out of the current number of available maladies. Nor are we certain that smallpox will never again be a future problem.

But I digress. As far as childbirth and mortality... That is one part of nature that can be controlled easily. I wouldn't classify that as a wrath of nature. Hurricanes, floods (Some of which man tried to prevent and caused more of...like a plastic bag clogging a storm drain...) Diseases, stupidity, etc...All those are nature's way of saying, "Die. No just kidding. Seriously, just die

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

>> ^spoco2:
Awesome stuff.
I hate with a passion those who espouse not giving their kids vaccinations, especially those who do so based on here-say or what a 'friend told them' without ever looking into it.
Vaccines keep us safe, they have eradicated many diseases that would otherwise be killing us by the thousands or millions.
So while it's good to keep a sceptical eye on things at all times stopping things like vaccines without having any fricken idea why you are other than some uninformed dicks told you it was dangerous is just horrendous.
It's the same people who take homoeopathic medicines instead of actually doing anything to get cured of life threatening illnesses.

Eradicated diseases? No, the vaccines have suppressed many diseases, but have not eradicated them. If vaccines "Utterly destroyed" the maladies then the vaccines would no longer be needed and you would be advocating their uselessness.
The diseases are still around, and will continue to be around. Vaccines, no matter how good, will always be weaker than nature's wrath.
I blame this on the community of health and science for one reason. Autism is spiking, as are so many other diseases, and the answer to the question of why is pretty much an "I don't know the answer. But I will fail to give a possible answer that is believable, and additionally I will sell our opinion without any fanfare or exictement at all. It will be like a box of shit, but then, we don't know if it is manmade shit or not, but enjoy the shit nevertheless."
Also, if someone doesn't have the answers, people will temporarily fill in the blanks for them. It is our nature, it has been the way of man for 30 thousand years. It is how science advances (Temporary thoughts or theories.) Even the smartest, liberal minds do this everyday... So you cannot really hate people who guessed vaccines were bad.
You can however hate them now that the evidence contradicts their guesses.

The way of science isn't to fill in the blanks with wild speculation. Ok, every hypothesis starts with a guess, but the blank isn't truly filled in until its been tested. Your right though, humanities curious nature seems to be born out of a fundamental fear of the unknown, and we'll make up any fairy tale to help us sleep. I honestly wish we could embrace our ignorance without shame, after all, ignorance is really only damaging when you delude yourself into thinking you know the answers you don't. Do I hate the people that jumped to the wrong conclusion, not really, but I can't say I think much of the people who propogated the lie.

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The way of science isn't to fill in the blanks with wild speculation. Ok, every hypothesis starts with a guess, but the blank isn't truly filled in until its been tested. Your right though, humanities curious nature seems to be born out of a fundamental fear of the unknown, and we'll make up any fairy tale to help us sleep. I honestly wish we could embrace our ignorance without shame, after all, ignorance is really only damaging when you delude yourself into thinking you know the answers you don't. Do I hate the people that jumped to the wrong conclusion, not really, but I can't say I think much of the people who propogated the lie.

Nicely put Jinx. I will simply note in my defense that I have never disagreed with your first sentence--science is not a guessing game; but, I add, it would not be a game at all if we did not make a guess (Even a shitty one.)

I noted that once a "guess" was proven wrong, those who still purport the lie should realize they are ignorant. So while we may base science in guesses, it is the evidence that arises to which science polishes itself into a gem.

And if only we weren't a fear based speices... Oh how nice that would be. I agree 100% with you Jinx. I meant this comment to sound like a daydream, not to be sarcastic.