how to tell people they sound racist

Darkhandsays...

I think what people really need to talk about is what IS racism. This guy has great intentions with this argument but a lot of people don't understand what racism is.

A lot of times too many people out there just play the "race card" whenever someone says something they disagree with. That is an issue I feel that needs just as much tackling because it truly takes away from this "talk" in the first place.

Herostratussays...

Fellow at work told me he's comfortable around black people because he used to go to the YMCA, while we were walking about on a break. He walked right in front of a Hispanic woman who was carrying a box of stuff, while I stopped to let her cross.

Followed it up with, "...and I know this is going to sound terrible, but I just hate Mexicans." Unironically, not sarcastically, non-jokingly.

So I think I really can say, "I think you are racist" in this instance.

GeeSussFreeKsays...

You missed the point kind of. The point is he can just respond to that with "I was just joking", then you are left with no ground to stand on. He is basically expounding on a few thousand year old idea of Socrates. Get people to talk about what they have said and done to get themselves even more tangled up. Let them lay down their own seeds of destruction and you won't need to say anything at all...just let them run with the line. Even just phrasing it "So do you consider yourself as racist?" is much more profitable to your goals. Then again, this is only if the goal of your communication is for the benefit of the speaker and those the speaker is addressing. The net effect of accusation is for the emotional benefit of the person accusing. But laying down the web benefits all parties.

poolcleanersays...

>> ^Herostratus:

Fellow at work told me he's comfortable around black people because he used to go to the YMCA, while we were walking about on a break. He walked right in front of a Hispanic woman who was carrying a box of stuff, while I stopped to let her cross.
Followed it up with, "...and I know this is going to sound terrible, but I just hate Mexicans." Unironically, not sarcastically, non-jokingly.
So I think I really can say, "I think you are racist" in this instance.


No, he's just ignorant of what he really dislikes. What he probably dislikes is the stigmas associated with Hispanic culture in the south-western United States. That's a cultural problem, but he's confused it with a racial one.

dystopianfuturetodaysays...

Also, people have different concepts of what constitutes racism in the first place. To some, racism is conscious and deliberate, like that of a klansman, neo-nazi or minuteman. To others, it's subtle, internalized, hidden and/or subconscious. Problems arise when the unconscious racist is confronted with his/her own racism, thinking that they are being accused of being an overt hater.

quantumushroomsays...

1:14 "...speculation about their motives and intentions and those are things you can only guess at, you can't ever prove...."

The Statist do-gooder has overcome this chunk of Obvious with the invention of "hate crimes".

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