Who Left This Hole in the Ground, Mr. President? (8:45)

dotdudesays...

I wonder what the reaction will be to his use of the words “hole in the ground.” Mayor Nagin was heavily criticized for using them. Maybe George Carlin will have a comment about it. He loves playing with words.

daphnesays...

One of the best things I have ever seen. This report, more than anything, sums up what has really been going on. The wolves keep the sheep in line and call anyone who is not a sheep un-American.

I wish I had more votes.

couplandsays...

Wheeeee!!! That was fun. He gets a gold star for calling Bush and Cheney idiots on national TV. It's really strange, you can turn on the CBC (nationalized, subsidized Canadian TV station) and hear withering criticisms of our own government, and yet you watch private TV in the States and until recently reporters couldn't even *hint* at criticism. Isn't that counter-intuitive?

theo47says...

There's nothing factually wrong with anything Keith's saying here - it just bothers ol' "I would pay a large sum of money to see a video of Kanye shot between the eyes" tedbater to hear it.

tedbatersays...

lol, PERFECT example theo

I cannot stand both Kanye and Keith for the EXACT same reasons...they both presume to be god's gift to their profession. Their attitude presumes an air of smug arrogance and I'm-the-only-one-who-really-knows-what's-right-and-going-on-in-the-world kinda attitude unlike anyone else I've seen. I cannot stand to see Kanye prounce around like he's doing the world a favor by being in their presence just as I cannot stand to listen to Keith's little ol' commentaries about how the government is a bunch of evil 3 year-olds and out to get the world without their country's interest anywhere in mind. You can have them both.

rensays...

yeah keep chasing those terroristas! woooh yeah making the world safer one innocent civilian at a time

"I'm-the-only-one-who-really-knows-what's-right-and-going-on-in-the-world kinda attitude unlike anyone else I've seen...."
Bill O'reilly, Cheney, Alberto Gonzales, Rumsfeld, Rove, Ted Stevens, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter... the list goes on and on and on

theo47says...

"Their attitude presumes an air of smug arrogance and I'm-the-only-one-who-really-knows-what's-right-and-going-on-in-the-world kinda attitude unlike anyone else I've seen."

Unlike anyone else you've seen? Well, let's see...the President had a nationally televised press conference today, with Rummy and Cheney not far away. You can hear and see Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity on radio and FOX News, and Rush Limbaugh on the radio. Then there's good ol' Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. You've got Bill Frist and Ricky Santorum in the Congress, and Pat Buchanan on the best sellers' list.
Shall I go on?

tedbatersays...

lol...simma' down now people. I don't remember saying that Keith and Kanye were the ONLY people like this. There is a list that is long and distinguished. It's just that for me, they're number 1 and 2. I would have to put ann coulter in #3...but that's for another day.

quantumushroomsays...

Well, this guy seems to be saying powerful things, but they don't really add up.

Does anyone really believe he's angry that there's no "official" memorial? I don't. The "Freedom Towers" due in 2012 look goofy, and the water-filled footprints of the Towers will remain as the memorial.

What really boggles is that this guy and others of his ilk are the most angry with Prez Bush.
They hate Bush the most but Bush isn't homicide bombing, firing rockets into Israel, keeping women uneducated and wrapped in tablecloths and cutting the heads off of innocent journalists.

Now those who do, in fact, STILL believe that jihadist lunatics can be reasoned with are grumbling that they weren't invited to the party, though they had been. There can be no "bi-partisan" support for ANY war when the other guys don't have a clue about national defense and furthermore, want no part of it.

The terrorists are winning? Utter crap. If they weren't terrified of a free Iraq and--Allah forbid!--another democratic country in the Middle East, they wouldn't be trying so hard to disrupt daily life there. As one smart guy said, "Iraq is not our Vietnam, it's Al-Qaida's."

What's really sad is that archliberals like Olbermann, by default, HAVE to want us to lose in Iraq. After all, if Iraq makes it as a free nation, that means WAR WORKS.


Farhad2000says...

"What's really sad is that archliberals like Olbermann, by default, HAVE to want us to lose in Iraq. After all, if Iraq makes it as a free nation, that means WAR WORKS."

There is no way I would ever put the words 'war' and 'works' together.

But honestly everything the guy says is and has been around for the last 2 years, he's probably the first one in the journalistic community to come out and say on air hoping to attain Edward R. Murrow status. He's already preaching mostly to the converted.

The fourth estate in the USA is crippled beyond repair now I believe, for democracy to exist there needs to be a biased free fourth estate. But even so, looking at 9/11, at all the freedoms of information provided in the USA, a country can still be convinced to go to war fairly easily through fear and a few Powerpoint presentations.

First it's Afghanistan which was fair game, then Iraq which was fear tactics and "don't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud", now it's stuck in a war it can't really leave without losing face. Isolationism at it's finest. All the meanwhile the enemy, Osama Bin Laden is nowhere to be seen, the faceless enemy George Orwell warned us of in 1984. This is all an example of the perpetual war http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war

And don't bring Israel into this. That's beyond the realm of understanding, as there are no innocent parties there anymore, for every atrocity Hamas and Hezbollah commited the IDF has commited in kind.

theo47says...

LOL, this is gonna be fun:
"They hate Bush the most but Bush isn't homicide bombing, firing rockets into Israel, keeping women uneducated and wrapped in tablecloths and cutting the heads off of innocent journalists." Straw Man - unknown "they" hate Bush more than terrorists, equating Bush tactics with terrorist tactics
"Now those who do, in fact, STILL believe that jihadist lunatics can be reasoned with...the other guys don't have a clue about national defense and furthermore, want no part of it." Straw Man, again - who has said that jihadists can be reasoned with? how has how the Bush administration performed demonstrated competence, and which "other guys" have no interest in defending the country?
"What's really sad is that archliberals like Olbermann, by default, HAVE to want us to lose in Iraq. After all, if Iraq makes it as a free nation, that means WAR WORKS." Straw Man, yet again - presuming Olbermann is an "archliberal" and "wants us to lose in Iraq", Hasty Generalization - "if Iraq makes it as a free nation, that means war works." No, it doesn't.
In short, quantum - you can't argue your way out of a paper bag. I liked you better when you called Kanye West a "dumb ass f*cking ni**er".
Heh - and, of course, tedbater - his intellectual equal - thinks it was "well said". Nice.

tedbatersays...

Oh come on theo, be a bigger man than throwing low blows like "his intellectual equal" around. Are you 4? The sweet irony of it all though is that you don't actually know me or what I do for a living...I'd be willing to be you'd change your mind if you did. But again, this is a mute point.

No one attacked you personally, so there's no need to defend Keith with your pride.

daphnesays...

The only thing I'm banking on is that tb is a Conservative Republican. It's the "throw in an insult based on something I can't back up" approach that makes me think that.

Leaning too far in either direction topples the Jenga.

theo47says...

If whatever you do for a living would have an effect on how you debate, it certainly doesn't show. My vocation certainly had nothing to do with the fact that I just picked yours and quantum's arguments apart with ease.

bamdrewsays...

That many people don't equate the many shortcomings of this administration with its President is a point not often noted, and is very interesting. Somehow most people understand that he really isn't the one who makes the decisions, and are okay with him just being a photo-op President, shuffling from one controlled crowd of supporters to another.

... and if you're going to say 'what shortcoming are you talking about?', tell me what has gone WELL in the last few years. Oil companies are doing well... umm, fear and depression counselor are probably getting more business...

... a personal aside, I'm a researcher who looks to government funded programs for my livelyhood, and the buhtrillion dollars we've spent on this war is very much effecting those of my profession who aren't pulling funds from the Department of Defense...

KaiErsays...

I'm not a Bush supporter, but this was just totally misplaced.

As if Bush or any political figure could do anything with this swath of privatly owned piece of land that is nothing more than "prime realestate" for those who own it.

That empty space is there, not for the inaction of politicians, but for the lack of action on the owners and developers.

And now he's trying to claim that he's the one to put ABC up to "spinning" 9-11? Give me a break. Oh, for shame, we should actually think that 9-11 may have been initiated 6 months prior to the event? Look, it may have happened on Bush's watch, but Clinton isn't Teflon on the matter either. It was a failure across administrations.

Man, this is nothing more than a liberal version of those concervative nut cases out there.

We don't need to counterbalance ignorance with ignorance.

sfjockosays...

tedbater: WAR WORKS
thanks, i'll make a note of it. perhaps it should become our general MO. never mind those brown people we kill, the ones who had nothing to do with any of this. they are of no consequence, and anyone who disagrees is just a stupid liberal unable to understand the real world.

whew, you saved me teddy. i almost bought into that ridiculous liberal belief that it is unequivocally bad to kill. fuck 'em.

rickegeesays...

I agree with KaiER.

Would Olberman have the Government claim the land via eminent domain and build a memorial? The sad little secret is that the land shall always have more commercial value than symbolic or emotional value because it is in Manhattan. Even the deaths of many, many more would not sway the desire of real estate developers to squeeze every dollar out of that land.

However, Olberman targets the cynicism of the Republican Party and the 'straw man' or wolf/sheep strategy brilliantly. I wish the Democratic Party would step forward and be as critical as this of the malfeasance and supreme incompetence of this administration. The problem is that, over the last 50 years, the Democratic Party has abdicated any consistent vision of foreign engagement. And the wolves sadly have filled that gap.

I don't have room to post it right now, but here is a great primer in Fearmongering Totalitarianism 101:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp4vLBvU1bA

Demand transparency from your Government.

westysays...

yah i dont fully understand why the land is all that important maby something shud have been devloped ore at least made it pritty ore something for the time been but. the truth is the american goverment sucks compleaty and iraq is a joke. however i think taking troops out of a country u totaly mucked up wudent be the most constructive thing to do.

Ivegotthebendssays...

Quoting Rod Serling? What does the man who wants to give a nation its hair back have to do with this?
Also, I do not understand how not having a completed memorial there yet reflects that "the terrorists are winning, are still winning..."
Although, I don't think the terrorists are losing, even if we did recently kill--using a bomb on a remote control plane--Al Qaeda's #42 in command along with a dozen or so civilians just trying to go about their daily lives. Oh wait, I forgot, it's not our fault we kill those bystanders it's the fault of the terrorists for being around civilians when we shoot missiles at them.

kadampa1says...

Wow I was unaware that President Bush was the person in charge of rebuilding the WTC site. Silly me thought it was a consortium of State and Local governments, the port authority, and the developers, with input from victims families. I am glad we can just pin it on one person now. Keith always makes things so simple.

sfjockosays...

yeh kadampah1, bush really has no power here at all. it's completely beyond his sphere of influence, and i'm sure if he made a serious attempt to facilitate the rebuilding process, the parties involved would just ignore him. so why even try? get real.

it's notable that your strident posting claims exactly what olberman specifically addressed: it's not just one man. it's the entire gaggle of incompetent cronies. but the pretense that bush has no responsibility for his administration wears thin.

i've been quiet, comment-wise, but sometimes when your knee jerks, it hits my knee, which jerks back in response.

no matter how you slice it, this administration has proven time and time again that they are just not competent at anything they put their hand to. that's what it all comes down to.

quantumushroomsays...

War has never solved anything*

*Except for ending slavery, nazism, communism and fascism.


I respect those of you who believe in non-violence as a way of life, however, even Gandhi realized that soldiers must do their duty.

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