Towing Fail

BoneRemakesays...

Before all you smarty pants start squaking about a quad or ATV or whatnot, that is not the sound an atv motor makes.

Just from a couple views it seems to be a reach forklift, but I ... I dunno this seems kinda odd that it'd bend the frame like that... again I watched it, seems normal now that I am focused, the transmission linkages are at the bend points. Seems real to me !

newtboysays...

I guess no one noticed the car was pre-cut along the center line, and was already in 2 pieces at the beginning of the video? This is an obvious fake. Metal does not tear like paper in a straight line without any twist or resistance. Close viewing shows it is cut through the middle of the rear door. This is NOT a place a car could break.
Duh...Losing

Paybacksays...

>> ^newtboy:
I guess no one noticed the car was pre-cut along the center line, and was already in 2 pieces at the beginning of the video? This is an obvious fake. Metal does not tear like paper in a straight line without any twist or resistance. Close viewing shows it is cut through the middle of the rear door. This is NOT a place a car could break.
Duh...Losing


It's not a car. It's a GM full size "Supercab" or "Cab Plus" pickup. The kind with the jump seats and half rear doors that only open when the main doors are open. What you are saying is a "cut through the back door" isn't a door at all. It's the back panel of the cab of the truck.

Looks like the frame got bent when it flipped. Also, the challenge with Chevys is AVOIDING bending them in half in that direction.

Paybacksays...

>> ^BoneRemake:
Before all you smarty pants start squaking about a quad or ATV or whatnot, that is not the sound an atv motor makes.
Just from a couple views it seems to be a reach forklift, but I ... I dunno this seems kinda odd that it'd bend the frame like that... again I watched it, seems normal now that I am focused, the transmission linkages are at the bend points. Seems real to me !


It's a logging cable skidder. Basically a winch on wheels. It laughs at 5 ton trees.

Paybacksays...

>> ^BoneRemake:
I dont see how you can tell , its just a black blob. But I am not saying your wrong. I just see a blob and the engine sounds familiar.
Payback
yea, I think one can see the grapple on the back.


Voiceover at beginning says "...bring the skidder down on it, see what'll happen"

residuesays...

Why would the roof be cut so straight then? If it bent along the connection between the bed and the cabin, wouldn't the back of the cabin still be intact? I'm not even arguing one way or the other. Regardless of cutting, I think it was the intent to fold it. Why would any sober person ever think that towing a car in that manner would work?

>> ^Payback:

>> ^newtboy:
I guess no one noticed the car was pre-cut along the center line, and was already in 2 pieces at the beginning of the video? This is an obvious fake. Metal does not tear like paper in a straight line without any twist or resistance. Close viewing shows it is cut through the middle of the rear door. This is NOT a place a car could break.
Duh...Losing

It's not a car. It's a GM full size "Supercab" or "Cab Plus" pickup. The kind with the jump seats and half rear doors that only open when the main doors are open. What you are saying is a "cut through the back door" isn't a door at all. It's the back panel of the cab of the truck.
Looks like the frame got bent when it flipped. Also, the challenge with Chevys is AVOIDING bending them in half in that direction.

BoneRemakesays...

The box is not even an issue, I dont understand what that message even meant.

the only thing a person should be baffled about on this video is how the frame rails bent like spaghetti.

go take a look at a truck cab and the space between that and the box, you can unbolt the box and drive the truck around just fine. there is a good inch gap on most trucks, there has to be for bending and torsion etc..

DAMN I WISH THRE WAS SOME BACK STORY !

bamdrewsays...

@BoneRemake I can make up a plausible backstory...

Someone out icefishing lost their truck through thin ice, where one side gave more than the other or the truck just rolled descending into the lake. Somebody took a log skidder and attached it to the back of the truck, and they pulled the truck up close to the shore (grinding down the roof of the cab). They were then like, 'hey, we should have flipped this thing upright while it was still in water,... maybe we can still flip it now... vertically.... using the log skidder.' And, holy fuuuhhh!

newtboysays...

You assume the frame was bent in a flip. The problem with that theory is that the frame seems to be cut clean through. If the frame rails were still there, bent or not, they would have made it impossible for the car (truck) to cleanly break in 2 that way. If you look closely, you can see the frame rails on the front of the vehicle, but not on the rear. It's possible the view is obstructed, but it's not possible that they both broke cleanly at the fold point, the same goes for the sheet metal. My guess would be it's upside down so they could cut the back half off easily.>> ^Payback:
>> ^newtboy:
I guess no one noticed the car was pre-cut along the center line, and was already in 2 pieces at the beginning of the video? This is an obvious fake. Metal does not tear like paper in a straight line without any twist or resistance. Close viewing shows it is cut through the middle of the rear door. This is NOT a place a car could break.
Duh...Losing

It's not a car. It's a GM full size "Supercab" or "Cab Plus" pickup. The kind with the jump seats and half rear doors that only open when the main doors are open. What you are saying is a "cut through the back door" isn't a door at all. It's the back panel of the cab of the truck.
Looks like the frame got bent when it flipped. Also, the challenge with Chevys is AVOIDING bending them in half in that direction.

Paybacksays...

>> ^newtboy:
You assume the frame was bent in a flip. The problem with that theory is that the frame is cut clean through. If the frame rails were still there, bent or not, they would have made it impossible for the car (truck) to cleanly break in 2 that way. If you look closely, you can see the frame rails on the front of the vehicle, but not on the rear. It's possible the view is obstructed, but it's not possible that they both broke cleanly at the fold point, the same goes for the sheet metal. My guess would be it's upside down so they could cut the back half off easily.>> ^Payback:

It's not a car. It's a GM full size "Supercab" or "Cab Plus" pickup. The kind with the jump seats and half rear doors that only open when the main doors are open. What you are saying is a "cut through the back door" isn't a door at all. It's the back panel of the cab of the truck.
Looks like the frame got bent when it flipped. Also, the challenge with Chevys is AVOIDING bending them in half in that direction.



Well yes, that is an assumption given the frame LOOKS bent at the beginning, but you're mistaken on a couple points.

-The cab is not cut. What you see rising out of the water is a complete cab, with the rear window crushed and the panel just below the rear window pushed in.

-The frame is not cut. The frame has been weakened (like a power antenna in a car wash) and no longer has any rigidity. The point where the frame is bending seems to be at the rear transmission crossbrace or transfer case mount. The frame is acting like a hinge, about 3 ft in "front" of the cab-to-box gap. The rear most cab mounts have been ripped out as well.

deathcowsays...

> @BoneRemake I can make up a plausible backstory...

Hah!! Puhlease. My story is much more likely.

These dudes were like, lets make a giant hole in the ice, sized to look like we pulled the truck up to shore. Lets carefully place your truck upside down in the ice, after cutting the frame strategically and ripping the back off the cab. Lets make the cuts so it hinges as we intend when we pull it up with the skidder.

Now we'll get Foul Mouth Fred to hold the camera, strategically mention the skidder, and the proceed to cuss like a sailor when the truck folds up exactly according to our carefully laid out screenplay.

Now we need extras, maybe 20 or 30 from local houses and our local actors guild.

newtboysays...

OK, I'll blame most of the discrepancy in details to the incredibly crapy quality of this video, I get about 1 frame per second at best and it won't fullscreen, so it's difficult to see anything clearly. I now see what you mean about the sheet metal/cab not being torn (but it was incredibly difficult to get it to stop on the one frame where that's visible). I think I also see the frame rail move, extreemly difficult to see, but it does seem to obscure part of the drive shaft when it breaks the cab mounts, then it does seem to rotate on that bend point and not break completely. My mistake. Still incredibly strange and possibly (probably?)faked, but not difinitavely. 'FAKE' retracted.
em>>> ^Payback:
>> ^newtboy:
You assume the frame was bent in a flip. The problem with that theory is that the frame is cut clean through. If the frame rails were still there, bent or not, they would have made it impossible for the car (truck) to cleanly break in 2 that way. If you look closely, you can see the frame rails on the front of the vehicle, but not on the rear. It's possible the view is obstructed, but it's not possible that they both broke cleanly at the fold point, the same goes for the sheet metal. My guess would be it's upside down so they could cut the back half off easily.>> ^Payback:

It's not a car. It's a GM full size "Supercab" or "Cab Plus" pickup. The kind with the jump seats and half rear doors that only open when the main doors are open. What you are saying is a "cut through the back door" isn't a door at all. It's the back panel of the cab of the truck.
Looks like the frame got bent when it flipped. Also, the challenge with Chevys is AVOIDING bending them in half in that direction.


Well yes, that is an assumption given the frame LOOKS bent at the beginning, but you're mistaken on a couple points.
-The cab is not cut. What you see rising out of the water is a complete cab, with the rear window crushed and the panel just below the rear window pushed in.
-The frame is not cut. The frame has been weakened (like a power antenna in a car wash) and no longer has any rigidity. The point where the frame is bending seems to be at the rear transmission crossbrace or transfer case mount. The frame is acting like a hinge, about 3 ft in "front" of the cab-to-box gap. The rear most cab mounts have been ripped out as well.

kronosposeidonsays...

I'm Foul Mouth Fred, and I endorse this holy fucking version of events. Fucking A. >> ^deathcow:

> @BoneRemake I can make up a plausible backstory...
Hah!! Puhlease. My story is much more likely.
These dudes were like, lets make a giant hole in the ice, sized to look like we pulled the truck up to shore. Lets carefully place your truck upside down in the ice, after cutting the frame strategically and ripping the back off the cab. Lets make the cuts so it hinges as we intend when we pull it up with the skidder.
Now we'll get Foul Mouth Fred to hold the camera, strategically mention the skidder, and the proceed to cuss like a sailor when the truck folds up exactly according to our carefully laid out screenplay.
Now we need extras, maybe 20 or 30 from local houses and our local actors guild.

Paybacksays...

>> ^punisher:
I don't know. freezing it at 17 seconds, it does look like it's cut.. You can see where the front part of the back window frame woould be, then about 6 inches or so of roof...
See side view of Supercab here:
http://images1.americanlisted.com/nlarge/2004_ford_f250_lariat_supercab_super_duty_20681337.jpg
I suspect the truck was totaled already and this was staged to get some entertainment value...


http://media9.dropshots.com/photos/256336/20110310/091626.jpg

Here, I stopped the video at the point I'm talking about.

It. Is. Not. Cut.

You can see where the box has pushed forward into the cab, spreading out the back of the half-doors, and obliterating the rear window. The fact the box moved so far leads me to believe there was considerable frame damage in the first "incident", allowing the frame to buckle and fold.

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