"Hey damnit, quit playing with your food !! "

As well, I really, really! do not agree with eating things while it still has a heart beat. Just my fantastic important opinion. This is as bad if not "more " so than that live fish that gets sliced and diced.

Crazy Asians.

I don't agree with it either, but there you have it. I doubt this video will influence anyone who wouldn't do it already to jam live, slimy, wiggling cephalopods into their pieholes, so *promote *quality. >> ^BoneRemake:

"Hey damnit, quit playing with your food !! "
As well, I really, really! do not agree with eating things while it still has a heart beat. Just my fantastic important opinion. This is as bad if not "more " so than that live fish that gets sliced and diced.
Crazy Asians.

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I don't know if biting into something that is still alive is all that wrong under the right circumstances. It happens in the wild all of the time. Dunking it in a hot, pepper sauce before the first bite seems cruel to me though. However, I did eat a live mayfly once. Grabbed it out of the air and then CHOMP! The wings got stuck in my teeth. Now you know a weird fact about me.

I... er... Hmm... Yeah I don't know about this.

I was expecting it to go Oldboy all over her face.

It's a mixed bag for me. I'm completely inconsistent. This makes me squeamish and therefore seems cruel to me, but then I remember that I eat lobster from time to time, and lobster is prepared by boiling it alive. Cockles and mussels are also cooked while they're alive. A lot of the world includes insect protein in their diet, and insects are rarely dispatched humanely before preparation. Some are roasted alive before consumption. (I'm not even sure if there is a way to humanely kill an insect anyway. Decapitation?) And how about the way we treat animals before they're killed? How about veal? And has anyone seen film of modern chicken houses? Meat consumption is littered with ethical issues. I think about it often while stuffing Big Macs in my face.>> ^Fusionaut:

I don't know if biting into something that is still alive is all that wrong under the right circumstances. It happens in the wild all of the time. Dunking it in a hot, pepper sauce before the first bite seems cruel to me though. However, I did eat a live mayfly once. Grabbed it out of the air and then CHOMP! The wings got stuck in my teeth. Now you know a weird fact about me.

>> ^kronosposeidon:

It's a mixed bag for me. I'm completely inconsistent. This makes me squeamish and therefore seems cruel to me, but then I remember that I eat lobster from time to time, and lobster is prepared by boiling it alive. Cockles and mussels are also cooked while they're alive. A lot of the world includes insect protein in their diet, and insects are rarely dispatched humanely before preparation. Some are roasted alive before consumption. (I'm not even sure if there is a way to humanely kill an insect anyway. Decapitation?) And how about the way we treat animals before they're killed? How about veal? And has anyone seen film of modern chicken houses? Meat consumption is littered with ethical issues. I think about it often while stuffing Big Macs in my face.>> ^Fusionaut:
I don't know if biting into something that is still alive is all that wrong under the right circumstances. It happens in the wild all of the time. Dunking it in a hot, pepper sauce before the first bite seems cruel to me though. However, I did eat a live mayfly once. Grabbed it out of the air and then CHOMP! The wings got stuck in my teeth. Now you know a weird fact about me.



Right, but I'm not sure that typical meat consumption is comparable to consuming an animal alive for no purpose other than... whatever the purpose is. It's grotesque, it's excessive and it shows casual disregard - and perhaps even contempt - for the suffering of species that don't have our gawking faces. The fact that animals are eaten alive in the wild just isn't relevant, either. We're able to make the choice. Maybe I'm just a bitch. One of my overarching directives is to minimize the amount of suffering that I'm responsible for. This is just fucking awful.

It's not relevant but I don't eat veal or lamb, nor lobster or crab and certainly not octopus. I won't consume the flesh of any animal order that contains creatures which pass the mirror test.

I do like me some octopus. But cooked and diced, and not at all alive. Eating something still struggling to get away seems a bit cruel to me. And octopuses are supposed to be fairly intelligent creatures (on the same level as dogs).

I have experienced this myself. I lived in Korea fro two years and did the exact same thing. It wasn't bad (other than the squirming) and I am totally glad I have that story to tell at the water-cooler.

Somewhere in her mouth is some octopus shit.

Kill and eat anything you'd like. Chances are whatever you are eating, would eat you if you were below it in the food chain. And they'd probably eat you alive.

>> ^rottenseed:

Kill and eat anything you'd like. Chances are whatever you are eating, would eat you if you were below it in the food chain. And they'd probably eat you alive.


Because there's no difference between an animal acting according to its requirements and an intelligent, self-aware, sapient species making decisions that maximize cruelty.

>> ^Gallowflak:
>> ^rottenseed:
Kill and eat anything you'd like. Chances are whatever you are eating, would eat you if you were below it in the food chain. And they'd probably eat you alive.

Because there's no difference between an animal acting according to its requirements and an intelligent, self-aware, sapient species making decisions that maximize cruelty.


Oh ok...so they're too smart to eat, but too dumb to be looked at fairly?

The mirror test huh? Besides humans the only ones who pass the mirror test are the great apes, which thankfully are the same order as humans so we know you aren't a cannibal. That leaves the other 18 orders of animals in the class of mammalia free to eat including veal, lamb, dogs, cats and every other pet you can conceive of. Well, except monkeys and I knew a guy with a pet monkey but it's rare so we won't put them in the pet category. So the mirror test is a pretty shitty test of what someone will or won't eat.

You just sound like another PETA member trying to convince billions of people that we aren't the top of the food chain and we should care about what we eat. Alive or dead a vast majority of animals don't have the same pain receptors we contain for the simple fact of being eaten alive. They have touch receptors in the extremities for movement and awareness of surroundings. You can look that up in any science textbook about animal nervous systems. You can believe and preach what you want about cruelness to animals. Either way it is still going to be eaten.

Even still, crushing an animal to death and having it die in seconds in your mouth as compared to being boiled alive over minutes is still less cruel. You should think of the alternatives of how the animal might die before you say eating it alive is cruel.
>> ^Gallowflak:

>> ^kronosposeidon:
It's a mixed bag for me. I'm completely inconsistent. This makes me squeamish and therefore seems cruel to me, but then I remember that I eat lobster from time to time, and lobster is prepared by boiling it alive. Cockles and mussels are also cooked while they're alive. A lot of the world includes insect protein in their diet, and insects are rarely dispatched humanely before preparation. Some are roasted alive before consumption. (I'm not even sure if there is a way to humanely kill an insect anyway. Decapitation?) And how about the way we treat animals before they're killed? How about veal? And has anyone seen film of modern chicken houses? Meat consumption is littered with ethical issues. I think about it often while stuffing Big Macs in my face.>> ^Fusionaut:
I don't know if biting into something that is still alive is all that wrong under the right circumstances. It happens in the wild all of the time. Dunking it in a hot, pepper sauce before the first bite seems cruel to me though. However, I did eat a live mayfly once. Grabbed it out of the air and then CHOMP! The wings got stuck in my teeth. Now you know a weird fact about me.


Right, but I'm not sure that typical meat consumption is comparable to consuming an animal alive for no purpose other than... whatever the purpose is. It's grotesque, it's excessive and it shows casual disregard - and perhaps even contempt - for the suffering of species that don't have our gawking faces. The fact that animals are eaten alive in the wild just isn't relevant, either. We're able to make the choice. Maybe I'm just a bitch. One of my overarching directives is to minimize the amount of suffering that I'm responsible for. This is just fucking awful.
It's not relevant but I don't eat veal or lamb, nor lobster or crab and certainly not octopus. I won't consume the flesh of any animal order that contains creatures which pass the mirror test.

@rottenseed, it's more about us and the choices we're willing to make. I'm saying that choosing to eat an animal alive, as opposed to killing it first, is repugnant and immoral, on the basis that it requires the creature to endure wasteful and unnecessary suffering.

@Stu, what I think is acceptable to eat isn't bound to the mirror test at all, and I just meant that I'm unwilling to eat anything capable of relatively advanced cognition.

I have nothing to do with PETA, we are undeniably the most successful predatory creature on the planet and as for the rest of it, I'm not sure that I care. I've already been pretty clear about what I think on the subject and I've been about as overbearing as I'll allow myself to be.

Edit : Actually, just a little bit more, as you mentioned pain... #1, related to pain with references, and #2, octopus/cephalopod intelligence in general, only a few references.

Cruel.

>> ^Stu:
Alive or dead a vast majority of animals don't have the same pain receptors we contain for the simple fact of being eaten alive. They have touch receptors in the extremities for movement and awareness of surroundings. You can look that up in any science textbook about animal nervous systems.


You might be technically correct considering the amount of insects in the world, but I doubt that's true for the larger animals we usually eat.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Pain_in_animals1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus

"Octopuses are highly intelligent, likely more so than any other order of invertebrates."

"In some countries, octopuses are on the list of experimental animals on which surgery may not be performed without anesthesia. In the UK, cephalopods such as octopuses are regarded as honorary vertebrates under the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986 and other cruelty to animals legislation, extending to them protections not normally afforded to invertebrates."

(citation- http://www.archive.official-documents.co.uk/document/hoc/321/321-xa.htm)


>> ^quantumushroom:

Cruel.

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