If that happens might you have a room to rent? ... you allergic to cats? I'm a nightowl here ... so no jet lag!

I'm kind of perversely hoping he does win, just to see how bad it can get.

Your a late night host arn't you?.. admit it!...

Sorry dude, much to my wife's dismay, I am very allergic to cats

To quote my view, which I mistakenly sent to Chaos Engine:


Who would you have Americans elect?

Bush: Disaster. Remember, remember the Patriot Act?

Clinton: Lying, manipulative, currently under Federal investigation by America's FBI department. Really?

Bernie Sanders: Self-purported Socialist. Lovely.

Ben Carson: I have no particular qualms, by all means intelligent, however, doesn't say anything beyond the bloated party line.

That brings us full circle back to Trump... He has a real, tangible plan. Excluding "Feelings" and "Moral Obligation" and any other overused progressive excuses that simply cloud the fact that there is no fact there, his plan/s would work, and are necessary if America means to continue its lead as the second greatest nation on Earth(Sorry America, national pride, you know?).

As for Obama, and I include him because many seem to think he is great for some reason... His healthcare plan failed(look it up). America is now over $18 Trillion in debt. ...And he insists on throwing pebbles at ISIS while the EU does all the fighting... His speeches never really address anything tangibly, its all "Feeling" and fluff(watch the one where he addressed the attack on France).

I am not necessarily saying that Trump is a good person, or would make a good President, but he would me loads better than the other shrimps for candidates...

WTF?!? "Tangible plan"? What on earth could you possibly mean by that?
The "plan" to round up over 11 million people and deport them, but with zero details about it?
The "plan" to make Mexico pay to build a 2500 mile wall, with zero details about how?
The "plan" to illegally deny fugitives entry to states because, you know, Muslims are bad...MmmmK?
The "plan" to skew the tax system even more in favor of those in the top 5%, to the detriment of the middle and lower classes?
His "plan" to be a smarmy, dickish, douchebag to anyone that isn't in his camp...but also to completely control those people to make them do exactly what he wants...again with zero details how he plans to do so?
The "plan" to force China to...I don't know...ignore all our debt and treat us like the boss we are?

As for Clinton's being 'currently under Federal investigation by America's FBI department.'...the "email scandal" has, just like Benghazi, turned up absolutely zero illegal behavior and is nothing more than a red herring designed by the (absolutely not) "conservative" side of our political system, has gone absolutely no where, and only matters to people who would NEVER have voted for her in the first place...if you think differently, you really need to get out of the Fox bubble and look around at reality for a bit.

Little could be more disastrous for the country than having that vitriolic humanoid pumpkin as our 'leader', since the only successful leading he's ever done is leading people to hate each other, and leading far more people to hate HIM. He's a fairly terrible business man, successful only due to starting with a "tiny loan" (his words, really more of a gift from daddy) of a million dollars and being forced to allow others to take control of his investments. He's a bold faced liar, in fact the truth does not seem to be palatable to him in the least....and he's clearly admitted that in his books and sees it as a good thing to hyper exaggerate and minimize. He's a 'good Christian', who's been divorced how many times? There's no way on earth his plans would even be tried. He (and other republican candidates) don't even have a grasp of what the president does or how, claiming they'll 'repeal the ACA on day one', and they'll discard multiple government departments...somethings the president simply CAN'T just do...along with most of their other ridiculous, impossible 'plans'. They all know they wouldn't actually have that power, yet they all lie to you and tell you they will do the hateful things they've convinced you are the right thing to do by themselves. Fortunately our system is designed so that one nutjob, or even one party of nutjobs can't change laws precipitously.

I hate to tell you, but Bernie Sanders is not excluded for being honest and knowledgeable. ALL candidates are socialist, he's just honest enough to admit it. Tax breaks for the rich...socialism. Bailouts for the airlines and banks...socialism. Social security...socialism. Medicare...socialism. "jobs programs"...socialism. Public parks...socialism. Public roads...socialism. Need I go on?

Your mischaracterization of Obama's record is so patently ridiculous it's not worth contradicting.

What confuses me is that most Americans *love* their armed forces with utmost (almost too much) pride, yet so many think that socialism is a dirty word.

The American armed forces are paid for by the taxpayer. We can't defend ourselves on an individual level as well as we can, through tax contributions, employ a permanent army to do it for us.

To me it feels like the essence of a country is socialist - our 'tribe' decided at some point to work together. Instead of us all individually walking every day to get fresh drinking water or water for washing, we chip in and buy essential infrastructure like water treatment plants and pipes, the electrical grid or sewage system. Instead of having to defend our properties and possessions all the time from intruders, we chip in and pay the police to keep order for us. Instead of individually teaching our children, we all chip in and employ experts to do the best job possible.

Whilst some of those things are available to be purchased privately if you so wish, you can't have your country without socialism.

For me, the worst sin is being against free universal health care. However well prepared or covered you think you are, all it takes is a twist of fate and you'd be in the same situation as so many others - incapable of making the money you need to buy the cure. Or caring full time for a dependent person, unable to work to pay the medical costs. That's why everyone should chip in - because any one of us, through no fault of our own, in an instant, could need access to more than we could get by ourselves.

Invocations (love) cannot be called by dannym3141 because dannym3141 is not privileged - sorry.

To address your points:

>> Bush: Disaster. Remember, remember the Patriot Act?
GW is not up for re-election and to the best of my knowledge Jeb had nothing to do with writing the Patriot Act. He supports it, but almost all the candidates do. I'm not a huge fan of Jeb, but he actually seems like the smart one in his family. Would still prefer him not to be president.

>> Clinton: Lying, manipulative, currently under Federal investigation by America's FBI department. Really?
@newtboy already addressed the so-called "email-gate" or whatever. As for "lying, manipulative"? You're kidding, right? She's a politician. They're all lying and manipulative. Ultimately, I think Hillary will probably get the democratic nomination and while I'm not a huge fan, she's an order of magnitude better than any of the republicans.

>> Bernie Sanders: Self-purported Socialist. Lovely.
So what? "Socialist" is not a bad word. Many of the highest ranked countries for citizen health and happiness are socialist. America needs to grow the fuck up and get over it's childish clinging to McCarthyism. A bit of socialism would do it the world of good.

>> Ben Carson: I have no particular qualms, by all means intelligent, however, doesn't say anything beyond the bloated party line.
Ben Carson, "intelligent"? Are you fucking kidding me? The guy's borderline insane. How he ever got to be a surgeon baffles me.
This is a guy who thinks that "Joseph built the pyramids to store grain", that doesn't understand fucking magnets, er, gravity and believes evolution was ‘encouraged by’ Satan. He's a fucking moron.

>> That brings us full circle back to Trump... He has a real, tangible plan...
to fuck everything up? Seriously, Trump is an idiot and would be the worst thing to happen to the USA (and by extension the world) in decades. His ignorance is matched only by his ineptitude.

>> As for Obama, and I include him because many seem to think he is great for some reason..
a) I don't think he's great, he's been a huge disappointment and
b) he's irrelevant to this debate
but anyway...

>> His healthcare plan failed(look it up)
I did and it hasn't.

>> America is now over $18 Trillion in debt.
I wonder if the previous president starting two wars has anything to do with that?

>> And he insists on throwing pebbles at ISIS while the EU does all the fighting
Way too big a topic to address here. Post on another video if you want to discuss it further.

>> I am not necessarily saying that Trump is a good person, or would make a good President, but he would me loads better than the other shrimps for candidates...
He's not, he wouldn't and better than an invertebrate with a brain only barely recognisable as such is not a sufficient bar for the presidency.

Can we just vote for Colbert to be president? That's what I'm going to do. I've decided that if my vote is truly a personal decision and a reflection of who I feel is the leader AMERICA needs, I'm voting Stephen Colbert. Or Conan O'Brien. I'm still undecided on my vote actually. If Jon Stewart ran, that may change everything.

Does it really matter? Trump has already accomplished the goal conservatives needed him to. The best way to keep the country divided, with more faith in corporations and churches than in the government, is to devalue the democratic process, and make it look ridiculous.

The reasonable part of the country is disgusted that a Trump, or a Palin, or a Carson, or a Cain, was ever treated as a serious contender for leading the country, and will lose a little of their faith in democracy. The true believers on the other hand, who buy into these idiots, will also be disgusted and confused when their candidates inevitably fail, and lose a little of their faith in democracy.

No matter who wins the actual election, the fact that the next president will have been up on the national stage debating with a reality show host who called them dumb, already tarnishes them and their office. Even if the Republicans lose, they'll have strengthened the American belief that politics are dumb and petty and need to be reined in, which is the Republican agenda. A Republican president would just be icing on that cake.

Francis Fukuyama does an interesting overview in his Political Order and Political Decay on how trust in governmental institutions is one pillar of any functioning democracy. Putting Trump and the other clowns on stage seems like a textbook action to undermine that trust.

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My my, it never ends with you people, does it?

You literally bend everything you see or hear to fit whatever convoluted, torturous, labyrinthine, alien viewpoint you've devised through ignoring any semblance of reason or clear thought.

I am a Liberal(http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/liberal) for God Sakes, and I can't believe what I am hearing from you...

Forget it, I bloody quit trying, you win, Tralala, enjoy whatever new hell you people can think up for yourselves. Maybe once the people you elect take every ounce of freedom you enjoy, and completely ignore any of your say in the matter, you will see.

I only take issue with the one statement, which is that all politicians are liars. That is the pussy, cop-out way of not caring. Bernie Sanders = 99% less liar than Hilary. Hilary = more morals than Trump. So forth and so on. Just because they all are something doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

But as far as lying goes, too, there are levels of lying and those must be taken into account. Fiorina lies about everything just to get attention. Hilary lied about being in a combat situation and her emails, among many other lies that elevate her above others. I can't stand lies about being in harm's way...

On the third note, many of Hilary's emails as Secretary of State were later classified. This meant that Clinton had sensitive material, but was to stupid to care. Even the state of Florida has tough standards on emails and shit in sensitive jobs--FUCKING FLORIDA, the State where Stand your Ground is a real law! So Hilary being dumber than Florida does concern me.

Edit added:
And no, for the record I didn't say you said "It doesn't matter." I say that to everyone.

The "they're all liars" statement was meant as a throwaway, tongue in cheek comment. I apologise if that wasn't clear. For the record, I agree with you re: Sanders.

Not sure what you're referring to with "it doesn't matter". Are you confusing my reply with someone else's?

Just out of interest, do you actually have any facts or even something approaching a reasoned argument to back up your ad hominem? Or are you just spouting the usual Fox News bollocks? 'Cos you see, I had citations and sources for what I said and you just have opinion.

I was perfectly polite to you when you mistakenly posted your nonsense to my profile and I attacked your argument, not you.

But now it's pretty clear that I was wasting my time. When you're ready to debate like a grownup, let me know.

Well, it's a true statement, and since you only said "Clinton: Lying, manipulative...", it was reasonable to assume you were singling her out as the only manipulative liar in the field, when in fact she's far from the biggest manipulative liar in the field...that would be Trump...and he's actually said so about himself in his own books and sees it as a good thing that people like.
It was perfectly reasonable to dissuade you (or other readers) of the false idea that she's the only, or biggest liar. Had you said 'Hillary; a bigger liar than most other candidates listed', you would have something to complain about with his correction, but since she was the only one you called a liar and manipulative, it certainly implies that you think she's the only one.

They are all liars and manipulators (yes, even Sanders, but he's far more honest, at least on the surface, than any other candidate)...a few of them are incapable of actually telling the 'truth' or correctly relaying facts at any time though, and with all her flaws, Clinton is not one of those.

That wasn't @lawdeelaw that said Clinton was lying and manipulative, it was @Syntaxed

Damn it. That's twice I mixed them up now. My mistake. Sorry @Lawdeedaw and @Syntaxed