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Double-Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Tuesday, November 3rd, 2009 10:23pm PST - doublepromote requested by JiggaJonson.

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Adding video to channels (British) - requested by Zifnab.

Fuck yeah, tell it like it is.

Not to mention that you can always one up by saying well what if god invented evolution maybe the whole thing is his handy work! Again the only thing I dont like about this guy is that he is very rude. Does he have to say disgrace that kind of talk will lead us down a road the human race has been to over and over and over again. Im not saying the guy is not smart or right he just does not seem very tolerant. Which in the way I view things people who are not tolerant are like animals and less evolved.

"...Disgrace to the human species"

Oh snap!

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>> ^ctrlaltbleach:
Again the only thing I dont like about this guy is that he is very rude. Does he have to say disgrace that kind of talk will lead us down a road the human race has been to over and over and over again. Im not saying the guy is not smart or right he just does not seem very tolerant. Which in the way I view things people who are not tolerant are like animals and less evolved.


WTF does tolerance have to do with evolution? I highly doubt being more tolerant gives you an evolutionary advantage. Pretty poor choice of words there, not to mention the blatant hypocrisy of you not being able to tolerate Dawkins' attitude.

Kudos to Dawkins for having the balls to tell it like it is.

Actually I realize the hypocrisy about it but I am not being intolerant myself if I was I would have said something along the same line that he did. I did not however stoop to harsh words about a whole mass of people that live on the earth today. I have no problem with atheists and I dont have a problem with them pointing out creationalist flaws. Saying a whole group of people is a disgrace because they chose to believe there might be life after death is a little much. To me thats like saying you should be ashamed for being human.

^ I would argue that life after death is a separate issue from creationism, and it is not what this video is even talking about. Whether or not there is a higher consciousness that "lives" in our brains, that belief is a different belief from someone thinking that there is some kind of uber-ghost-being that just decided to play with his chemistry set one day.

For example, I am 10,000% certain that the belief in a god that created all life--and that we are at the mercy of this mega-being--is a completely idiotic and absurd ideal. However, I am not so certain about the existence or non-existence of a higher consciousness. To me, the two are not two pieces of the same puzzle.

>> ^ctrlaltbleach:
I did not however stoop to harsh words about a whole mass of people that live on the earth today. ISaying a whole group of people is a disgrace because they chose to believe there might be life after death is a little much. To me thats like saying you should be ashamed for being human.


Oh yeah? You just said "people who are not tolerant are like animals and less evolved."

Calling Dawkins and others who think like him an animal, that's not stooping to harsh words about a whole mass of people? < /Facepalm >

There are creationists who use thier belief system as an excuse to behave like jackasses. Dawkins is an atheist who uses his atheism as an excuse to behave like a jackass. In every group you have people lacking the character, spine, and decency to stop themselves from becoming prejudiced cads.

You may have a point mentality but I said "people who are not tolerant are like animals and less evolved." Not Dawkins an "OTHERS" who think like him are animals. I never said all people who are atheist or think that way are animals just people who are intolerant of others. Maybe that puts me in the same boat but only people who are intolerant upset me. In not all cases I'm sure but if you take a look of acts of violence there is usually some type of intolerance behind it. If someone were to say all "fill in your favorite group of people here ex. Gay, White, republican, democrat, atheist etc. etc." people are a disgrace would that not make you upset? I believe the earth is old I believe in evolution but that statement still upsets me as much as it would have if he had said it about any other group of people.

Why is VideoSift so obsessed with this subject? Have we not beat this subject to death and back already? Can we move on please?

I think you want a video-sharing site that ISN'T dominated by vocal insecure people who happen to favor atheism and liberalism.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
There are creationists who use thier belief system as an excuse to behave like jackasses. Dawkins is an atheist who uses his atheism as an excuse to behave like a jackass. In every group you have people lacking the character, spine, and decency to stop themselves from becoming prejudiced cads.


God, you're dumb. Please explain to us how Dawkins is acting like a jackass in this video.

"we're all related, to each other, biologically
to the Earth, chemically
to the rest of the universe, atomically"

>> ^deathcow:
"we're all related, to each other, biologically
to the Earth, chemically
to the rest of the universe, atomically"


"...So how 'bout we go back to my place and get related anatomically?"

Winstonfield: "[There are those who] use thier belief system as an excuse to behave like jackasses. ... In every group you have people lacking the character, spine, and decency to stop themselves from becoming prejudiced cads."
Then: "I think you want a video-sharing site that ISN'T dominated by vocal insecure people who happen to favor atheism and liberalism."

Well done. You get the medal for consecutive self-referential posts! I actually laughed out loud at this one.

The difference between me and Dawkins is that I accurately described VideoSift, but he does not accurately describe theists. VS promotes Dawkins over and over ad nauseum ad infinitium because the majority of VS consists of people who strongly tilt to atheism/liberalism (generally conjoint interests). So when Dawkins goes on one of his rants, sympathetic Sifters just can't stop themselves from posting his froth because they are insecure and feel their point of view needs reinforcement, repetition, and trumpeting.

But theism contains hundreds of millions of quiet, unassuming, hard working, humble people who aren't anything like what Dawkins chooses to portray as 'religion'. Such persons merely follow the tenents of their philosophy without flash or glitz. Dawkins takes a minority of the noisy, jerky theists - paints them with a biased brush - rhetorically pretends that they represent the majority thought of all theists - and then makes generalized condemnations of everyone.

So on my part, I'm accurately describing a small population of people who really are desmonstrating the behavior I claimed (vocal, insecure, atheist, liberal). Dawkins is inaccurately describing a huge population of people who are not demonstrating the behavior he claims.

^ lol

Dawkins does talk about "all" theists occasionally, but for the most part he is specifically talking about creationists and evangelicals who are pushing their beliefs onto those who feel differently. If it weren't for those assholes, we wouldn't even need to have these conversations. They could believe whatever nonsense they wanted to, and we could quietly ignore them. But when they try to push creationism as science, or try to convince everyone that the US is a christian nation and that laws need to reflect that, they go too far and must be opposed.

And "theism contains hundreds of millions of quiet, unassuming, hard working, humble people" who don't lift a finger to stop the ones who would force the rest of us to conform.

And about that insecurity thing... atheists don't have a weekly brainwashing session. You'd never hear from us if it wasn't for people shoving their fairy tales in our faces.

^ Who is asking you to confrom? Ive lived my whole life and never had anyone ask me to conform to anything except maybe my grandparents but I shrug that off to them being old school.

I really don't think my point is getting across to well in above statements. Maybe I can sum up my whole issue in just a few lines. I had no problem with this video until the last line when he insulted at least half of the worlds population. I know people who are the exact representation of what he is describing and they are not a disgrace period. If he were sitting in front of me and a few of these people and said that I would be very confrontational just on how insulting that whole comment is whether I believe hes right or not. Otherwise he had not said anything that I did not already know. : )

I cannot believe that half the world's population would be stupid enough to deny full understanding of evolution and the development of the universe if they truly understood what the evidence for it was. Remember he's talking about "young earth" creationists. The vast majority of theists that I know accept that the world is extremely old and that evolution is how the living creatures got to their current state. They just believe that god used those as tools and that the bible was written using metaphors. Therefor the insult is going to a small but vocal population of stubbornly ignorant fools, and I agree with Dawkins that there is nothing more disgraceful than a stubbornly ignorant person. It denies the intelligence that separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

As for "conforming", perhaps "compromise" is a better word. In the sense that we would have to compromise our standards of teaching only evidence based science in the science classrooms. That we would have to compromise our policy of maintaining a religion-neutral government when we put the ten commandments in a courthouse. They are trying to force us to stoop to their level when they insist that their magical thinking is on the same level as evidence and rationality.

^ I agree on the compromise you have a definite point there I can see how it is insulting others in school and govt situations. Only I dont thing its disgraceful to be ignorant maybe just unfortunate. Not everyone has the same access to education that others do not to mention there situation. People born in places where the culture is going to discourage education its not there fault. Then there are people who are like some of my friends who no matter what evidence I show them or talk to them about they laugh it off and say "Im not related to any monkey." Then I think whats the harm in letting them make their own mind up as long as there not hurting others. My whole point is sometimes things are just unfortunate and we all have to live on this planet together as peacefully as possible why stir the pot? Sometimes fighting fire with fire just creates a larger fire.

I disagree completely. These morons who deny what is right in their face need to be mocked, insulted, marginalized, and ostracized. They need to be treated as if they believe the world is flat and that the universe revolves around the Earth, because that is what they are doing. Every intelligent being on the planet knows that evolution is fact, and if you can't power up enough brain cells to figure out the truth of it then not only are you related to monkeys, you are not as intelligent as they are.

If a person can't distinguish fact from fiction, or if they just don't have the will to try, then they are useless and deserve no respect.

Ok I just believe everyone deserves respect even when they don't give it to you. I don't know if it makes me a better person or just weak. I just hold by that old saying treat everyone the way you yourself want to be treated. The problem I really have with the world and the people I interact with everyday is why that just fly's right past them while I try to utilize it in every situation.

I believe that everybody should be treated with respect until they prove they don't want it. If you show somebody that 2+2=4 and they say "nuh uh", then stick their fingers in their ears shouting la la la la la, then that is pretty much all the proof I need. Of course, this is still all theoretical; I don't personally know any of these people, I just see them on TV trying to change laws and such. And writing on internet forums.