I just hope that during the trial that the next highest bidder will not be entitled to the land. In that case, the oil company would still take them.

This guy is a national hero.

*eco

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So awesome!

Listened to this segment on the radio today, bravo.

Dude looks like he could be Matt Damon's brother.

How are cell phone towers scattered all over the mountains and forests any different? Goddamn those blinking red lights! But nobody wages war on wireless companies...everyone wants to hate on oil, in classic bandwagon garbage fashion. And those shots of the land in question were ugly, by the way.

Salute DeChristopher!

>> ^J-Rova:
How are cell phone towers scattered all over the mountains and forests any different? Goddamn those blinking red lights! But nobody wages war on wireless companies...everyone wants to hate on oil, in classic bandwagon garbage fashion. And those shots of the land in question were ugly, by the way.


1) This is selling land, not leasing land - cell phone towers tend to be leases on small areas of land I think.
2) It's mining for oil. It's not a question of ugly, it's a question of pollution. Oil is a messy industry and that tends not to go well with wilderness.
3) It's land next to state parks and from what I gather it's pristine wilderness, maybe ugly to you, but once you mess that kind of thing up it tends to stay messed up for a long time.
4) The whole thing was done in a spirit of corruption trying to secretly and quickly take public land and put it into private hands that Bush has personal interest in (the oil industry).

Is that enough?

*balls

I live in Utah, and the places up for sale are not national monuments. Utah is primarily scrub desert and remote mountain, just like ANWR is moonscape tundra that no one ever bothers visiting. Energy independance or a bunch of wilderness that you'll never see, want, or use? Decide which you want America. You can't have both. Drill baby. Drill. Hope the companies get the land anyway, and this @$$hat gets 20 years in the clink. Can't believe some people think this dork is a 'hero' for preserving a bunch of scrub land and preventing America from achieving energy independence. What a loser.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I live in Utah, and the places up for sale are not national monuments. Utah is primarily scrub desert and remote mountain, just like ANWR is moonscape tundra that no one ever bothers visiting. Energy independance or a bunch of wilderness that you'll never see, want, or use? Decide which you want America. You can't have both. Drill baby. Drill. Hope the companies get the land anyway, and this @$$hat gets 20 years in the clink. Can't believe some people think this dork is a 'hero' for preserving a bunch of scrub land and preventing America from achieving energy independence. What a loser.


OOOORRRRR we could stop relying on temporary energy sources by investing in the development of alternative technology like we should have done ages ago. That way we don't have to destroy all of nature to temporarily solve our problems. And just because you think a place is ugly and useless doesn't make it so, ESPECIALLY if you have never been there. In fact, I think that your house is ugly, and it's sure as shit not doing ME any good, maybe the oil companies should drill through your house to find some oil.

^Winstonfield_Pennypacker-
Are you really that dumb, misinformed, or are you playing devils advocate, hoping that someone will point out the ridiculousness of your "arguments" (like Colbert does)?
Let's take your main points, first, wilderness is "moonscape tundra" that nobody "sees, wants, or uses". Nothing could be farther from the truth. These lands are not tundra, there is no tundra in Utah, scrub land and tundra have little in common. Many people use and enjoy these public lands for many reasons, and even if they didn't, preserving the diversity of habitat is more important today than ever. As just one tiny example of the shortsightedness of destroying ecosystems you don't come close to understanding (and therefore don't value), when drought comes, where do you think the drought resistant genes that will be spliced into food crops will come from, rainforests? Not likely, they'll be found in deserts and scrub land. (of course, you'r post leads me to believe you would support rain forest removal too, in the interest of cheap wood and meat, after all, who needs oxygen anyway? There's plenty of oxygen in CO2.)
More importantly, it is not possible to drill our way to energy independence. If we tapped every reserve we have possible access to, it wouldn't produce for us for 10+ years (and that assumes a "pro-oil" administration cutting red tape to make drilling and distribution possible)and the amount wouldn't supply us for long (<2 years?) at current rates. That's certainly not worth the contamination of some of the last "pristine" (I use the word lightly) land available. There is no energy independence possible with oil, NONE, EVER, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DRILL OR WHERE. If only the Moron Majority could get that fact through their heads they could help be productive instead of trying their best to slow progress (sorry, drill baby drill isn't progress, it's regress.) On a lighter note, who are you to define beauty for all? I certainly didn't vote for you as my aesthetics leader. I think Residue made the point well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Let's say I find your mind ugly, can we drill there first? After all, no one goes there, wants it, or uses it (apparently) ;-}. If you find oil rigs and pipeline beautiful, I'm certain you can move next door to one cheaply, but I'm also certain you won't.
I can hope you were only playing devils advocate here, it pains me to think that there are many Americans who truly believe what you've said, but that's the consequence of being near last in math and science among developed nations, most people in our country today can't do the math and don't understand the science, so they can be suckered into believing the most incredible BS (like your post).

New troll alert! Arm your ignore buttons!

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this kid is a national disgrace, and who gives a crap about 22k acres in Utah, have any of you ever BEEN to Utah?

Is that Jason Bourne?

awesome

Not referring to you newtboy. I've seen a few ridiculous, over-the-top comments from this Pennypacker clown, and he's on my radar to be the next to join my very short list of ignored trolls. I'll give him a little more time to prove me wrong, but the absurd nature of the comments I've seen so far lead me to believe I won't be reading his comments for much longer. Wouldn't be surprised if he was a sock puppet for one of the wonderful people on my ignore list already, considering that one of them downvoted my troll alert comment.

I don't recall this skinheaded punk being elected or representing lawful authority, so why has he taken it upon himself to decide for the rest of us who shall have oil and gas to heat their homes and fuel their cars?

Green fascism is still fascism.

Clever boy. And there's a lot to be happy about when it comes to unspoiled wilderness even if the definition of "wilderness" is "a place where no-one goes". It's dumb luck that it was adjacent to a National Park.

But, I hope that I don't get labled a troll if I say that if we have oil, we should get it. Responisbly, and as soon as we can, so in short "drill baby carefully drill".

Proceedings for the transfer of the land is held off for the next administration and Amy Goodman implies that it'll be alright when Barry comes to town. I think she will be disappointed.

Amy Goodman would do good for her cause to get some exercise before she looks any more like the cryptkeeper (There's a sale on downvotes today... available below!)

Bushites sicken me. Kudos to this kid. Even if you are going to drill, you can't just RUSH crap like this through - note how he points out around 8:20 how they didn't even take the time to figure out whether they had the RIGHT to SELL the land. Insanity. I have much more respect for trolls who actually take time to WATCH the entire video. Love the fact that the very RUSH aspect of the auction (buyers not bonded) was how budddy managed to pull it off. Delicious ironing.

Possibly the most sublime piece of civil disobedience I've ever heard of. If he had been a little more subtle -- perhaps just bidding up most auctions and winning few, then he might have been able to invalidate all of them.

Silly me, I thought one of the fundamentals of land being described as "wilderness" was that no humans used it and hardly any will ever even see the areas.

And for those who think we can achieve energy independence by raping some of the most precious parts of our country are admitting they know absolutely nothing about the subject.

Is there any actual consequence to being a universally hated asshat? Like, if you reach a critical mass of down-votes on your comments, something bad happens? I don't know, maybe you can't comment as much, or not submit any videos or something?

I'm just thinking out loud here. There's a trend forming where these bushite neocon douche-nozzles troll any/every remotely political thread... for what? To compare the number of down-votes they can acquire?

Why not put some teeth into the up/down-vote system?

*promote

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Someone add Robert Redford to the tags.

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>> ^KnivesOut:
Why not put some teeth into the up/down-vote system?


I can think of two reasons not to give teeth to the comment voting system, and both are demonstrated with Winstonfield_Pennypacker.

First, sifters often downvote people, not the quality of a comment. Take two comments in this thread (the first two quoted below), for example. The first comment, heavily downvoted, comes from a P-flag who holds contradictory opinions on many topics sifters at large seem to hold dear. The second comment, upvoted, saying basically the same thing, comes from a well known gold-star.

Second, sifters often downvote opinions, not the quality of a comment. Take the third comment below, for example. Whether you agree with it or not, it's a valid point, but it too was heavily downvoted.

When sifters start voting on quality, then it would make sense to give teeth to the voting system.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I live in Utah, and the places up for sale are not national monuments. Utah is primarily scrub desert and remote mountain, just like ANWR is moonscape tundra that no one ever bothers visiting. Energy independance or a bunch of wilderness that you'll never see, want, or use? Decide which you want America. You can't have both. Drill baby. Drill. Hope the companies get the land anyway, and this @$$hat gets 20 years in the clink. Can't believe some people think this dork is a 'hero' for preserving a bunch of scrub land and preventing America from achieving energy independence. What a loser.


>> ^BillOreilly:
this kid is a national disgrace, and who gives a crap about 22k acres in Utah, have any of you ever BEEN to Utah?


>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
M'eh - like so many news stories this tells you more about the people who react to it than it does about the subject of the story. Bush handles a minor incident with amused disregard, and liberal hate-mongers who don't like Bush react by projecting their pettiness and stupidity onto the screen. We all know with 100% certainty that if someone had hucked thier shoes at Barak Hussein Messiah, that the selfsame liberal would be screeching like harpies about how 'evil' the guy had been while simultaneously having orgasms about how wonderful Obama was at handling it. What a bunch of tools.

Is there any actual consequence to being a universally hated asshat?

Someone might nominate you for president, but otherwise, no.

Perhaps. I'm on the fence as to whether BO is a real troll, or someone playing the part for the laughs, a'la Colbert. I think others see him as amusing, so it explains the upvotes to his ridiculous comments.

Winstonfield doesn't appear to have a tongue in his cheek when commenting. It's just the vitriol you'd hear from any conservative talk-radio host, whom I'm sure he's parroting. To me that explains the up/down ratio of the two.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
Decide which you want America.


That's the point.

WE the people decide what WE want on OUR land, not Bush and Cheney stealing it and giving it to the oil billionaires.

Personally i'll take pristine wilderness over grease spewing oil rigs any day.

>> ^quantumushroom:
I don't recall this skinheaded punk being elected or representing lawful authority, so why has he taken it upon himself to decide for the rest of us who shall have oil and gas to heat their homes and fuel their cars?
Green fascism is still fascism.


That's some mighty fine bullshit labeling there, QM. Explain to me please what any of this has to do with fascism.

In any event, I'd prefer ["scarybold"]green fascism["/scarybold"] to ["terrifyingsuperbold"]oil company commienazi landrapism["/terrifyingsuperbold"] any day of the week. At least the green fascists let me go camping and breathe clean air.

What I don't get about this is why Robert Redford doesn't buy up all the land if it's so vitally important to him. Start buying up all the available land in Utah, and lease it out as gay campgrounds. That'll learn 'em.

>> ^moonsammy:
What I don't get about this is why Robert Redford doesn't buy up all the land if it's so vitally important to him. Start buying up all the available land in Utah, and lease it out as gay campgrounds. That'll learn 'em.


I think I can explain that, rich people don't spend their money. To buy the land he'd have to spend some money, you don't stay rich spending your money. He'd rather demand the government not sell it than buy it himself. It's kind of the same reason that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett don't get together and buy the American auto industry. They'd rather give their money to charity than buy things to be charitable, the former can be deducted from their own tax burden.

"why has he taken it upon himself to decide for the rest of us who shall have oil and gas to heat their homes and fuel their cars?"

That is a ridiculous statement...

I was watching democrcy now today 2/5/09 and Amy was updating this story. She was mentioning that a Utah senator was working to throw out the land auction. As she was starting to get into the details as to how the senator inended to implement this overruling the station cut to commercial abruptly. I haven't been able to find any other sources to confirm Amy's story. Any updates that you come across would be gladly appreciated.