*shudders*
as always, excellent BS vid from P&T
glad my mother fought the doc so I could keep my 'integrity'
I love my mom!

Man, that pre-play still is disturbing.

I'm sure glad I'm intact! The medical community appears to be leaning towards circumcision helping to avoid HIV infection (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6176209.stm) but really, it's not a big concern to me. There are enough other reasons to have some cover before going into battle, the biggest disease (in terms of probability * impact) being baby-itis! I can see that in places where suiting up is difficult and considered a sin (much of Africa, partly thanks to the Catholic church's stance) then circumcision has a point if it is proven to decrease the chance of getting HIV, however, this should not be done to anyone who is unable to give their permission, so not to babies. If you're old enough to be sexually active, then learn the facts and make your choice.

It amazes me that reaction of people to an uncircumcised dong. Here, you would get teased if you had a snipped dong which isn't much better, but at least that makes a bit of sense. Sexual performance is improved for both (or more) parties by being intact and that's a pretty big deal for guys these days. One thing they didn't mention is that unsnipped is good for the female(s) not just because it's "ribbed" and generally results in better thrusts internally, but that these shorter thrusts also cause more contact with the clitoris, thus further improving the female's sensations.

Hopefully male circumcision will come be seen in a similar light to female circumcision - a disgusting, brutal act that deserves a prison sentence. If ethical medical research finds conclusive advantages (to either sex) to circumcision (of either sex) then fine, the relevant people (i.e. the person getting snipped and possibly their partner) should talk about it, understand it and make their own choice. Heck, even if there are no advantages I guess it should be offered, if you want to lop off king kong's crown then that's your call, but ... why?


FWIW, spring rain here is quite nice. It doesn't smell ... it's water ... but it's clean and fresh. Some people still have rain barrels to collect it (yes, we have running water thank you), that's probably sold to tourists. And will probably be featured on P&T's Bullshit soon, if it wasn't already in their bottled water segment.

Once again... I'm happy I'm not american. That, and the fact that my grandfather is a good pediatrician.

The video about a circumcision I posted was discarded
http://www.videosift.com/video/Circumcision-would-you-do-this-to-your-children
truly horrible..

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I absolutely refused to have this done on my son - A urologist supported me when my wife wanted it done (she didn't know why it needed to be done - she just figured it was so common - what's the big deal).
No bloody way...

My feelings are this is about a wrong as female circumcision.
The forskin makes it too easy for men to masturbate, which is why the church doesn't like them!

How can you hurt a child, hear that screaming, and still think it's a good idea?

To Christians: for questioning god's design, and for hurting a child jesus has commanded you to protect - you're going to hell.

To Mothers: Unless you would chop off your own nipples or circumcise your daughters you have no right to an opinion. If you think it's different because it's a male? then you're equality is cancelled: get the fuck back in the kitchen.

>> ^raverman:

How can you hurt a child, hear that screaming, and still think it's a good idea?


Science aside, it's the same reason as using a needle for injection on kids. It hurts, but it's for their own good. The action is misguided perhaps, but the intention is not evil.

I am circumcised and, while it may have been horrible to watch (or hear) for the people that were there, I can assure you I have no recollection of the procedure. That's not to say it's good or bad, just that it's not something the child is likely to remember, as painful as it may seem or be. And, considering the time period in which it was done, I'm sure my parents were told it was healthier to have it done.

I myself feel that it is a useless religious practice. And while sex may be "better" with a foreskin, it's been just fine for me without one. Trust me on this.

What I want to know is does the "restored" foreskin have the sensitivity of the "natural" foreskin?

Summary of video: circumcision in the US is about

Religious tradition
Peer pressure
Making bucks

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Here's my anecdotal two bits worth. There is a condition called phimosis (abnormally tight foreskin) which runs in my family. It can lead to chronic infections of the foreskin, urinary tract infections, kidney infections and ultimately lead to loss of kidney function. None of these are guaranteed to happen but they can't be predicted. My father was not circumcised at birth but required the procedure at the age of 15. He swore then that no son of his would go through the same thing so me and 3 brothers were circumcised. When my son was born we decided against it after much research but again he had to be circumcised at 9. Bottom line if a parent opts for circumcision for family medical reasons they shouldn't be condemned or criticized, but lacking a family history like mine I see no compelling reason for it.

Other than aesthetics, of course, uncut dicks are ugly.

Im circumsized and im soooo glad i am, for many reasons. And my son is circumsized and no he didn't cry or make a noise at all when it was done, I know some do cry, but my son has grown and is very happy he was circumsized. There are many reasons not just religious as we are not very religious, we are not church go-ers but we each have our faith. But faith is not why circumcision was ever done

lol anteater penis.

Reposting my comment from this video, which is relevant here as well (as is the ensuing discussion in the comments).

>> ^hpqp:

@[circumcision]apologists: you have NO ethical nor medical arguments on your side; you irretrievably mutilated a child. Worse: the child's sexual organs. Worser still: for the sake of an ancient, barbaric tradition. It is an ethno-cultural branding that that child will never be able to reverse. It is worse than tattooing your name on the child's buttcheek, because at least those are removable (tattoos, not buttcheeks).
If an adult wants to get circumcised, retighten her vagina or change sexes altogether, may they feel free to do so. BUT KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF CHILDREN'S BODIES! It is bad enough that many kids have to endure the poisonous bile of their parents' beliefs (racism, homophobia, etc.), but once again, at least that is not incurable.

( not "yours" to mutilate)
On circumcision and HIV "study"
Where the tradition of circumcision comes from in the west (excluding Jews/Muslims)

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@hpqp : I'm curious if you saw nanrod's post and what your reply to that might be?

My wife and I look at male circumcision as a purely cosmetic decision. We see no harm in it. Some people pierce their daughter's ears at birth but no one freaks out and calls that mutilation (but give San Francisco more time, I'm sure they will). The children don't ever remember it (in fact when performed in the hospital anesthesia is used so there's no reason for them to remember it), it can be beneficial for some people (see nanrod's comment above), and if you belong to a cultural group where that is the "norm" and it's important to you for your kids to fit in then go for it.

On the other hand, female "circumcision" is mutilation pure and simple. It is done with the intent of preventing the girl from experiencing orgasms. It's a barbaric ritual that misogynistic cultures employ to control women, thinly veiled under the guise of preventing female "promiscuity." I'm all on board for denouncing and stopping that practice wherever it is found because it causes real harm--both physical and psychologocial--to the individuals who have to suffer through it.

@SDGundamX : I am aware of phimosis (I suggest reading the whole article), and do not oppose circumcision as a last resort in a severe case thereof, should all else fail. Justifying circumcision as a preventive measure, however, is absurd and unethical (cf. this video's comments).

The argument from aesthetics is vile and contemptible. Feet-binding and neckrings where/are performed for the same reason, should they be tolerated too? Circumcision and ear-piercing are not alike (although I disprove of doing the latter to children as well). A pierced ear will heal, a foreskin will not grow back; the functions of the foreskin (and there are several) are lost forever, whereas nothing is lost from a pierced ear (but susceptibility to infection is gained).

As for FGM, just because one act is worse than the other (and FGM certainly is worse than male circumcision, as I've stated many times before: see this video), does not mean that the lesser of the two evils is therefore justifiable. Every time someone argues in favour of male circumcision on non-consenting people, they are undermining the fight against FGM and other religion/culture-based barbarisms that use the same defensive arguments.

@hpqp

I don't agree that the argument of aesthetics is vile. Why is it vile exactly? Feet binding is a red herring argument. Feet binding has severe medical consequences (not sure about neckrings, do you have any info on it?) and that is why it shouldn't be tolerated. The medical consensus so far is that male circumcision does no medical harm (this is not to say that some doctors think it does harm, only that the majority consensus is that it is neither harmful nor beneficial). That's why it's an aesthetic decision and actually is preventative in some cases (i.e. nanrod would have benefited from it as a baby). And that's why it belongs in the same category as ear piercing. BTW, I pierced my ears 20 years ago and I still have the holes even though I haven't worn an earring in over 15 years--it never completely heals.

@SDGundamX

I guess you would have nothing against a parent tattooing their child then?

Not wanting to repeat myself, please read the comment thread of this video, as all your arguments are treated there in comments by myself and others.