But it's not easy adjusting to a console controller! Honestly!!!

You try moving from the accuracy of a mouse to the analog stick. See how you like it!!!!!


Damn noobs.

And that my friends, is why I don't play online games.

Because there is nothing fun about playing with a bunch of dicks who find humour in relentlessly killing the weak.

Bah and humbug.

Give me single player, or give me death

And the punchline is all console players are noobs. Clever.

For me, there was such a long gap between my computer mouse and keyboard counter strike sessions and my current xbox 360 period (5 years ago, no, longer now!) that I didn't notice the change in controls. And thanks to Counter Strike on PC (Jesus, that was over 5 years ago? I'm such a pussy), I will never play online multiplayer again (I'm a silver xbl member).

This is EXACTLY how I felt when I was playing counter strike (minus the 'learning the buttons' part). God damn AWP whores.

>> ^spoco2:
And that my friends, is why I don't play online games.
Because there is nothing fun about playing with a bunch of dicks who find humour in relentlessly killing the weak.
Bah and humbug.
Give me single player, or give me death


Not even with friends?

>> ^spoco2:
And that my friends, is why I don't play online games.
Because there is nothing fun about playing with a bunch of dicks who find humour in relentlessly killing the weak.
Bah and humbug.
Give me single player, or give me death




You must play the really challenging single player games that are never predictable.

Id rather be called a fag and tee bagged than watch my AI companions walk into walls , get in the way and generally act like one of them BBC micro robots that kids learn programming with.

And really the stories and Design in single player is god awful 90% of the time. Probably only 30 or so single player games worth playing. the only one I can see being of any good coming out in the near future is the new ICO/shadow of the colossus game.

every single player game i have played recently has been embarrassingly pore. aside from that penumbra game but that's years old now.

Maby in 10-15 years time when AI is better and Developers can consistently produce quality interactive story telling that is not some quasi cinematic exsperance with game play sellotaped on then ill realy enjoy single player games. at the moment for the most part multilayer games provide far better game play , and cinema , books , TV shows provide far better story.

the only ganra that works constantly well as single player is the casual/arcade ganra but in many cases those games end up evan better with multiplayer.

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Nope, no sarcasm at all... I hate online play. Although, with friends, on a LAN, that is fun, and as such, I can see that you could eventually get to that point on general online play... I guess.

I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to build up the teams/organize times to play together etc. only to end up playing a fast twitch game where this sort of bullshit taunting goes on.

I enjoy single player games with stories, I enjoy playing through crafted experiences like Bioshock, HL2 and it's sequels, Arkham Asylum etc. Or, just fun puzzle games like World of Goo. Westy, you either have an unrealistically high bar for single player games, or just don't play good ones. Personally... I'd rather AI that's trying to fit into the world, rather than playing a WW2 game and have the enemy tea bag me, or yelling 'die fags'... that breaks me out of the immersion far more than a bit of dodgy AI.

That's where my enjoyment comes from I'm afraid... I just don't find enjoyment in online gaming.

I can SEE the attraction, especially in games like Eve Online etc. where it's like living in a futuristic world... but really, that's a time investment of a few orders of magnitude higher than I can give to anything that's not productive.

spoco2, out of curiosity, have you played/seen Team Fortress 2? I find it offers a different dynamic from traditional, boring deathmatch. The team dynamic makes for a more enjoyable experience for me.

>> ^Xax:
spoco2, out of curiosity, have you played/seen Team Fortress 2? I find it offers a different dynamic from traditional, boring deathmatch. The team dynamic makes for a more enjoyable experience for me.


Yup, I own it as it came as part of the Orange Box... tried it for a while, found it was still all about twitch reflexy play which I just don't enjoy. I can see it could be fun with people you know... but I just don't have the free time these days to devote to setting up such shenanigans.

So I stick to single player games.

I really enjoy TF2. Most of the players don't speak that much. Those that do, do so to help the team. Then there are the few 'music spammers' that you can now easily set to ignore. Overall its fun. Doesn't require as much 'twitch' as it does tactics and teamplay... depending what class you play.

Also, Left4Dead is great online. I haven't played a public game in a while, but when I did, everyone was cooperative.

>> ^spoco2:
Yup, I own it as it came as part of the Orange Box... tried it for a while, found it was still all about twitch reflexy play which I just don't enjoy. I can see it could be fun with people you know... but I just don't have the free time these days to devote to setting up such shenanigans.
So I stick to single player games.
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>> ^spoco2:
Nope, no sarcasm at all... I hate online play. Although, with friends, on a LAN, that is fun, and as such, I can see that you could eventually get to that point on general online play... I guess.
I don't have the time, patience, or inclination to build up the teams/organize times to play together etc. only to end up playing a fast twitch game where this sort of bullshit taunting goes on.
I enjoy single player games with stories, I enjoy playing through crafted experiences like Bioshock, HL2 and it's sequels, Arkham Asylum etc. Or, just fun puzzle games like World of Goo. Westy, you either have an unrealistically high bar for single player games, or just don't play good ones. Personally... I'd rather AI that's trying to fit into the world, rather than playing a WW2 game and have the enemy tea bag me, or yelling 'die fags'... that breaks me out of the immersion far more than a bit of dodgy AI.
That's where my enjoyment comes from I'm afraid... I just don't find enjoyment in online gaming.
I can SEE the attraction, especially in games like Eve Online etc. where it's like living in a futuristic world... but really, that's a time investment of a few orders of magnitude higher than I can give to anything that's not productive.



I enjoy both multilayer and single player , Its just that the the story telling in single player games is UTTER SHIT . compare the stories and emotoinal impact in games to a good film or book its just depressing. also the fact that the game play in single player games is often so predictable its just annoying. I really enjoy single player games as a peace of art of a mideum thats still in its black and white without sound stage.

Evan coop instantly makes any single player game infinitely better. the technology is not really there to deliver engrossing single player games of a high sophistication , Maby as a games Designer things stick out to me more than they do other people but I can still recognize fantastic single player games but Evan the really good ones the plot is that of a TV BMovi


Here is a list of some single player games that were really good.
Half life 1 , operation flash point , shadow of the colossus. The Penumbra Series , max Payne 1 and 2. portal ,
System Shock 2, myst series.

I always find it Amusing that still Half life 1 is more advanced and natural in the way it tells its story than modern FPS games. Mirrors edge has really nice environments and some well designed levels (in terms of game play) but the story is badly written and the cut scenes are annoying.

>> ^ant:
>> ^spoco2:
And that my friends, is why I don't play online games.
Because there is nothing fun about playing with a bunch of dicks who find humour in relentlessly killing the weak.
Bah and humbug.
Give me single player, or give me death

Not even with friends?


Not with MY friends. /shudder

VS n00bs get PWNED.

>> ^sadicious:
I really enjoy TF2. Most of the players don't speak that much. Those that do, do so to help the team. Then there are the few 'music spammers' that you can now easily set to ignore. Overall its fun. Doesn't require as much 'twitch' as it does tactics and teamplay... depending what class you play.
Also, Left4Dead is great online. I haven't played a public game in a while, but when I did, everyone was cooperative.
<em>>> <a rel="nofollow" href='http://www.videosift.com/video/PWN-D-Support-Group#comment-925535'>^spoco2</a>:<br /> Yup, I own it as it came as part of the Orange Box... tried it for a while, found it was still all about twitch reflexy play which I just don't enjoy. I can see it could be fun with people you know... but I just don't have the free time these days to devote to setting up such shenanigans. <br> <br> So I stick to single player games.<br><br><br><div><div style="margin: 10px; overflow: auto; width: 80%; float: left; position: relative;" class="convoPiece"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.videosift.com/video/PWN-D-Support-Group#comment-925519" rel="nofollow"> Xax said</a>:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.videosift.com/member/Xax"><img style="margin: 4px 10px 10px; float: left; width: 40px;" src="http://static1.videosift.com/avatars/x/Xax-s.jpg" onerror="ph(this)"></a><div style="position: absolute; margin-left: 52px; padding-top: 1px; font-size: 10px;" class="commentarrow">◄</div><div style="padding: 8px; margin-left: 60px; margin-top: 2px; min-height: 30px;" class="nestedComment box">spoco2, out of curiosity, have you played/seen Team Fortress 2? I find it offers a different dynamic from traditional, boring deathmatch. The team dynamic makes for a more enjoyable experience for me.<br></div></div></div></em>

I'm with spoco2. I'd usually much rather play a single player game or a cooperative multiplayer game with people that I already know than deal with the idiots that make up 10% (if you're exceptionally lucky) to 90% of the people that you end up with in a random online game.

I find it very odd that cooperative modes for storyline campaigns aren't more popular. When I was going to High School, I played competitive Quake over a LAN and Goldeneye on the N64 with friends. Both were pretty fun. Then a bit before I started college, the original Halo came out on the XBox. I shared a trailer house with a friend of mine from high school, and we played cooperative Halo a lot. I think we both found it far more enjoyable to build our teamwork and cooperative skills by gradually playing through the game on harder and harder difficulty levels than it had been to play competitively in Quake or Goldeneye.

I would probably tolerate TF2 or Left4Dead online play better than other experiences I have had, but I still think that I'd by far prefer to get a group of 3-8 actual real-life friends together and play LAN games, or even play with only those people on internet games.

>> ^MilkmanDan:
I'm with spoco2. I'd usually much rather play a single player game or a cooperative multiplayer game with people that I already know than deal with the idiots that make up 10% (if you're exceptionally lucky) to 90% of the people that you end up with in a random online game.
I find it very odd that cooperative modes for storyline campaigns aren't more popular. When I was going to High School, I played competitive Quake over a LAN and Goldeneye on the N64 with friends. Both were pretty fun. Then a bit before I started college, the original Halo came out on the XBox. I shared a trailer house with a friend of mine from high school, and we played cooperative Halo a lot. I think we both found it far more enjoyable to build our teamwork and cooperative skills by gradually playing through the game on harder and harder difficulty levels than it had been to play competitively in Quake or Goldeneye.
I would probably tolerate TF2 or Left4Dead online play better than other experiences I have had, but I still think that I'd by far prefer to get a group of 3-8 actual real-life friends together and play LAN games, or even play with only those people on internet games.




Co op is really popular its just when its going on its not broadcast in the same way as a multilayer game is so its not advertised as openly.

for example most wii games are co-op / party , Left for dead 1,2 are pretty much only playable in coop . army of 2 was designed around coop.

The reason u might not find coop in games where u really would have thought it should have it is probably due to testing and that you have to design aspects of the single player to support the coop play if u want it to work really well. Allso the Cheep bolt on story telling used in most games dose not work very well with coop.

I dont know what multiplayer games u have plaid but i generally don't have problems u dont have to listen to people and nearly all modern multilayer games are pritty locked down to stop greefing.

Its actually the sterile nature of games like TFC2 and LFD2 that put me off them, they lave no real room for player innovation. Battelfaild 1943 on x box 360 is really good its easy to just play and gives you tuns of freedom , u can also easily join in with mates. the depth of strategy and planning you can use in bf 1943 you also are largely in control of the difficulty depending on how aggressive you play the game.


obviously single player and multilayer are like 2 different ganres. Its just emencly frustrating if you go from a multilayer game that requires you to use strategy and planning against "intelligent people" . to fighting against idiot AI. Its allso anoying when u watch a film and then exspect a half decent story from games only to be given a heaving pile of regurgitated shit. (saying that most Hollywood films r shit as well)

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