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that was... like... Independence Day! with a better script!

how is this dadaism? Also not "low-brow, avant-gard, video punk rock." lol, upvote? NOT TODAY MOTHERFUCKER!

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

I don't get it, but I'll vote for it based on the title. But really- "minor Sift War?" Hyperbole much?

If I was going to nominate for minor Sift War, it would be something like this:
http://www.videosift.com/video/ART-OF-SEDUCTION-Not-Pretty-Really

And a major Sift War would be this:
http://www.videosift.com/talk/TayTV-Situation

Why should I spend more time explaining a downvote than it takes to watch the actual video I'm downvoting?

My number 1 reason for a downvote ALWAYS lies in my answer to this question: If I were coming to this site for the first time looking for something to satisfy my quest for thought or entertainment, and this was the first video I saw, would it turn me off to the site (or at least make me think twice about exploring further)? The answer to this video was "yes". I would think this were a "youtube part II"

Avant-garde? Dadaism? The day those terms can be accurately applied to a Youtube video hailed as brilliant by Something Awful, I'll...oh fuck it, that day will never come, and especially not because of this video. Downvote this piece of crap, and this self-indulgent sift. At least Karaidl's sift had a ninja turtle.

Four Points

1.Art that you don't like is still art.
2.Art need not be in a museum to be art.
3.Just because the artist may not know what dadaism is, doesn't mean her/his creation is not dadaist.
4.Art isn't inherently good.

Oh, and the sift war isn't in the comments or explained anywhere publicly.

Dada or Dadaism [French, from dada, child's word for a horse] Nihilistic movement in the arts that flourished chiefly in France, Switzerland, and Germany from about 1916 to about 1920 [and later -ed.] and that was based on the principles of deliberate irrationality, anarchy, and cynicism and the rejection of laws of beauty and social organization.

Four points

1. Not everything that people say is a good sift is actually a good sift.
2. A sift need not be art to be shitty.
3. Just because people say something is sift-worthy, doesn't mean something is sift-worthy.
4. Sifts aren't inherently good.

I don't think this is art, nor do I particularly care to argue the point. This sift is crap one way or the other, and all the airy ruminations in the world aren't going to change that fact. Nothing against you personally, but I hope this sift dies a painful death and that its bleached bones on the broken road of discarded posts will warn future posters of the hazards of posting awful sifts. In conclusion:

Not today, motherfucker.

Rembar: "Is this video for me to poop on?"

Mycroft: "Not today motherfucker."

... what rottenseed said.

Q: How many Dada-ists does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: Fish.

"1. Not everything that people say is a good sift is actually a good sift."

Absolutely. Taste is entirely subjective. You have no obligation to agree with other opinions.

"2. A sift need not be art to be shitty."

Duh, shit comes in all flavors.

"3. Just because people say something is sift-worthy, doesn't mean something is sift-worthy."

You just reworded point #1 and labeled it #3. You owe me another point.

"4. Sifts aren't inherently good."

You, again, just reworded point #1 and labeled it #4. Now you owe me two.

Last point. Calling something art is not a value judgement, just a description.

For instance: The video created by the crying Brittany Spears guy is by definition art. I personally find it stupid and annoying, but that does not strip it of its definition.

Not Today Motherfucker is comprised entirely of elements that we find culturally offensive: Profanity, poor special effects, low resolution, bad music, a generic one liner is the only dialog, it's titled after said one-liner, the title card is as long as the movie, the UFO seems to be pretty easily destructible, the sound effects are jarring, etc.

Separately, these elements are commonplace and dull, but put them together and I'm amused.

rember not liking this makes me like it more. That is part of the fun of both punk and the avant gard.

Airy, pretentious, snobby? I won't object if you call me those things.

Who is right and/or wrong? Both of us.

I never thought I'd be writing a dissertation on the aesthetics of Not Today Motherfucker, but why not.

Dumb!!

Dystopian, you do realize that I was just rehashing your points with different terms? So the part where you're analyzing my points....

...it's Art. Don't judge me for it.

Upvote for art!

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hi-five, dystopian, for actually interesting me enough to look up the dictionary definition of the word "art"

art1
–noun
1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

so by this definition, the video of the crying brittany spears guy is not "art" and neither is this video. no upvote for you.

but then, to play devils advocate, the definition itself is very vague, based on the differences of human beings themselves. what is art? is art simply someone doing something they love to the best of their ability? if picasso was having a shitty day and made an equally shitty painting, is it still art? if i paint a POS better than anything i've ever done before, is it as much a piece of art as the mona lisa?

i think artwork is too abstract to even have a definition. but hey, this is the inter-butts, im sure theres someone out there who can (and will) correct me.

(and i also giggled a little at the video. there i said it.)

^ I think almost every artist would disagree with your interpretation of that definition.

I once took an art theory course, though I would hardly call myself an expert. In the course, our professor's main objective was to get us to ask the question what is art. I think by the end of the course, I felt like for me art was defined as anything the artist feels a need to do, and would do without the regard of others.

So, maybe, this guy felt a need to make this maybe he didn't. But I would not go so far as to say this does not qualify as something that could be art.

Dignant,

Mycroft pretty much nailed it.

Defining art could fill many pages. Here is my best attempt at a definition of art.

Art is something - created by an individual or group - with no utilitarian function other than to be observed.

That was stupidest thing I've seen in a long time. We almost wet our pants we laughed so hard.

art is ment to be controversial so i'm giving you the vote although i think it's kinda crappy

heheh we're still quoting this line. Surprisingly it fits well as a response for most questions.

F*ckin awesome!

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