The concept of there being "two Americas" is almost as old as the nation itself. From the outset there were the landowners, the ruling class - the "haves". And then there were the have-nots. That divide has been economic but also racial, with minorities claiming a disproportionately small share of the nation's substantial wealth.

And yet, a 2013 Pew Research Center study showed that half of white Americans surveyed do not feel that African Americans are treated less fairly by the police, employers, doctors and others. Only 13% of blacks felt the same way. Amid the current backdrop of the Black Lives Matter movement and increasing wealth disparity, Clive Myrie from the BBC's This Week's World delves into what white Americans understand - or don't - about race.
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newtboysays...

When he says "most white people" don't think race is an issue, what percentage does he mean? 51%? 90%? And exactly what question did they ask? Edit:answered below
If they asked "Do you think race an issue", I might take that to mean "do you judge people based on 'race'?", which I would answer "No.".
Details matter, especially with statistics.

I find it incredible to believe even 51% of white people don't think racism still exists in America (and impossible to believe a significant percentage honestly think reverse racism is more prevalent than racism).

Funny to me how so many people can go instantly from completely ignoring any claims of racism to claiming the race card has been overplayed so badly that it no longer has meaning...as if there was ever a time they gave it honest consideration.

eric3579says...

I assume it's in reference to the Pew Research Centers study mentioned in the video description.

newtboysaid:

I find it incredible to believe even 51% of white people don't think racism still exists in America

newtboysays...

I checked...you're right.
Survey respondents were asked about unfair treatment of blacks in seven specific institutions or realms of community life: the police, the court system, the workplace, stores and restaurants, public schools, the health care system and elections.
49% of whites answered there was none in any of those categories.
What's worse is, when taken individually, it averages out to only 20% of whites think blacks are treated more poorly than whites in those categories. (37% say cops are biased, 13% say voting is).
I'm astonished at those numbers, even if they're 4 years old.

eric3579said:

I assume it's in reference to the Pew Research Centers study mentioned in the video description.

Fairbssays...

I think people want to believe they're not racist, but I believe everyone is to some extent (like everyone falls somewhere on the racist continuum); I also don't think a lot of people are familiar with concepts such as institutionalized racism or redlining and probably wouldn't believe they exist even if they knew about them

newtboysaid:

When he says "most white people" don't think race is an issue, what percentage does he mean? 51%? 90%? And exactly what question did they ask? Edit:answered below
If they asked "Do you think race an issue", I might take that to mean "do you judge people based on 'race'?", which I would answer "No.".
Details matter, especially with statistics.

I find it incredible to believe even 51% of white people don't think racism still exists in America (and impossible to believe a significant percentage honestly think reverse racism is more prevalent than racism).

Funny to me how so many people can go instantly from completely ignoring any claims of racism to claiming the race card has been overplayed so badly that it no longer has meaning...as if there was ever a time they gave it honest consideration.

newtboysays...

That appears correct, sadly.
I try incredibly hard to judge people as individuals, and still fall into racist traps now and then.
I've also been exposed to institutional racism through friends and neighbors, and I'm still dumbstruck at some of the policies we've enacted, both past and present.

Fairbssaid:

I think people want to believe they're not racist, but I believe everyone is to some extent (like everyone falls somewhere on the racist continuum); I also don't think a lot of people are familiar with concepts such as institutionalized racism or redlining and probably wouldn't believe they exist even if they knew about them

heropsychosays...

Let's play along and say he didn't experience racism. Does that mean there isn't systemic racism?

If I claimed cancer rates are on the rise, and you ask if I have cancer, and I said no, does that mean there's no such thing as cancer?

But you knew that already. Stop with the disingenuous arguments.

bobknight33said:

How much racism did he experience while in America?


Another cry from the left..

bobknight33says...

How foolish.

He whole point was to see if there was racism. Or in you case systemic racism.

Being a black man walking and driving around, if there were systemic racism he would have bumped into it.

You cancer analogy is wrong, pick another.

heropsychosaid:

Let's play along and say he didn't experience racism. Does that mean there isn't systemic racism?

If I claimed cancer rates are on the rise, and you ask if I have cancer, and I said no, does that mean there's no such thing as cancer?

But you knew that already. Stop with the disingenuous arguments.

aaronfrsays...

Actually, the whole point was to "go on a journey into the mind of white America". You can't just change his objective because you thought it was something different.

Furthermore, he didn't try to engage meaningfully in the society and the (racist) systems that it has set up. He wasn't looking for a job, he didn't try to purchase a house, he didn't have exposure to the judicial system.

You're (once again) saying there isn't systemic racism because a foreign journalist didn't run into overt racism. The cancer analogy holds just fine.

bobknight33said:

How foolish.

He whole point was to see if there was racism. Or in you case systemic racism.

Being a black man walking and driving around, if there were systemic racism he would have bumped into it.

You cancer analogy is wrong, pick another.

bcglorfsays...

Being a Canadian colours my view, but it seems there is at least some parallels between race relations up here and in the US. The difference is up here is it's aboriginal/white as opposed to black/white.

I don't know how close the parallels are, but in Canada it is statistically accurate to observe the following:
-Aboriginal people are disproportionately the victims of violent crime
-Aboriginal people are disproportionately committing violent crime
-Aboriginal people are over-represented in the prison system
-Living conditions on Aboriginal reserves even compared to neighbouring municipalities are, on average, grossly worse

These are basic facts that are, statistically speaking, irrefutable.

There facts clearly indicate there is a problem in society. Unless you believe that race determines criminality, they indicate that a group of people is facing some kind of systematic disadvantage, currently, historically or both.

Canada has failed in trying to address this issue IMO. Instead of looking for the systematic problems, we are trying to treat the symptoms. For example, we have passed laws that demand differential sentencing to be more lenient towards convicted criminals if they are of aboriginal back ground.

What we really need is to discuss the root issues. If you grow up on a reserve or in a terrible neihgbourhood, that matters. If the likelyhood of growing up in those places is still racially distributed, that's a major root cause that needs addressing above all others.

newtboysays...

That's not a real difference. We have all that too, on top of the black/white, Mexican/white, Arab/white, non-white/white issues.
The main difference we have is reservations here have their own tribal courts instead of special treatment in normal courts. An alleged side effect of that is a white person can go to a reservation and attack a native, and never be charged because they can't get a fair trial in tribal courts and normal courts won't take a minor case from the reservation (I've never tried it myself).

bcglorfsaid:

Being a Canadian colours my view, but it seems there is at least some parallels between race relations up here and in the US. The difference is up here is it's aboriginal/white as opposed to black/white.

I don't know how close the parallels are, but in Canada it is statistically accurate to observe the following:
-Aboriginal people are disproportionately the victims of violent crime
-Aboriginal people are disproportionately committing violent crime
-Aboriginal people are over-represented in the prison system
-Living conditions on Aboriginal reserves even compared to neighbouring municipalities are, on average, grossly worse

These are basic facts that are, statistically speaking, irrefutable.

There facts clearly indicate there is a problem in society. Unless you believe that race determines criminality, they indicate that a group of people is facing some kind of systematic disadvantage, currently, historically or both.

Canada has failed in trying to address this issue IMO. Instead of looking for the systematic problems, we are trying to treat the symptoms. For example, we have passed laws that demand differential sentencing to be more lenient towards convicted criminals if they are of aboriginal back ground.

What we really need is to discuss the root issues. If you grow up on a reserve or in a terrible neihgbourhood, that matters. If the likelyhood of growing up in those places is still racially distributed, that's a major root cause that needs addressing above all others.

bcglorfsays...

I'd have to beg to differ on America having similar Aboriginal/White conflict. IMO the divide between aboriginal/white in Canada is actually much deeper, and with a greater potential for future violence than even black/white relations in the US. The conditions on Canadian native reserves are MUCH worse than in the US. It's severe enough that the first time a Canadian is driving past an America aboriginal reserve they have to ask twice to confirm it really is one. The general state of broken down infrastructure, housing and in general is so bad it's even visibly unavoidable up here in Canada. In the US you can't tell you've gone past anything different unless something culturally relevant is posted up.

It's also made worse by systematic segregation that the reserve system in Canada creates so any seed of racism has lots of fertile ground and lacks any reference to counter balance it.

When a car is stolen is something goes missing on farms near a reserve the immediate default assumption is that someone 'aboriginal' took it. It's only made worse when more often than the statistical distribution should dictate, it actually was someone from a reserve that did it. Recently a car of young aboriginal kids pulled into a farmers yard and one of them was shot and killed. They said they had a flat and were just looking for help. The case is on going, but the courts have heard that the neighbour had already put a call in to police about a theft minutes before the shooting though. Of course, white folks on the internet made such helpful comments as suggesting the farmers mistake was 'leaving any witnesses'. It's also not just white racism against natives though, the racism against settlers(whites) amongst aboriginal populations can be just as ugly and rampant. When Canada decided to have our border crossing guards carry guns, we had to close a border crossing that was in a Mohawk reserve because they wouldn't allow it. The border station there was already riddled with bullet holes before this. If the government DID try and enforce the same law there as the rest of the border, people were going to die.

newtboysaid:

That's not a real difference. We have all that too, on top of the black/white, Mexican/white, Arab/white, non-white/white issues.
The main difference we have is reservations here have their own tribal courts instead of special treatment in normal courts. An alleged side effect of that is a white person can go to a reservation and attack a native, and never be charged because they can't get a fair trial in tribal courts and normal courts won't take a minor case from the reservation (I've never tried it myself).

newtboysays...

In some cases, you're right. In others, not. Our treatment of natives is anything but consistent. Some reservations here are normal towns, others would stand out in Somalia.
The assumptions about crime, and statistics, sound similar to here in Northern California.

bcglorfsaid:

I'd have to beg to differ on America having similar Aboriginal/White conflict. IMO the divide between aboriginal/white in Canada is actually much deeper, and with a greater potential for future violence than even black/white relations in the US. The conditions on Canadian native reserves are MUCH worse than in the US. It's severe enough that the first time a Canadian is driving past an America aboriginal reserve they have to ask twice to confirm it really is one. The general state of broken down infrastructure, housing and in general is so bad it's even visibly unavoidable up here in Canada. In the US you can't tell you've gone past anything different unless something culturally relevant is posted up.

It's also made worse by systematic segregation that the reserve system in Canada creates so any seed of racism has lots of fertile ground and lacks any reference to counter balance it.

When a car is stolen is something goes missing on farms near a reserve the immediate default assumption is that someone 'aboriginal' took it. It's only made worse when more often than the statistical distribution should dictate, it actually was someone from a reserve that did it. Recently a car of young aboriginal kids pulled into a farmers yard and one of them was shot and killed. They said they had a flat and were just looking for help. The case is on going, but the courts have heard that the neighbour had already put a call in to police about a theft minutes before the shooting though. Of course, white folks on the internet made such helpful comments as suggesting the farmers mistake was 'leaving any witnesses'. It's also not just white racism against natives though, the racism against settlers(whites) amongst aboriginal populations can be just as ugly and rampant. When Canada decided to have our border crossing guards carry guns, we had to close a border crossing that was in a Mohawk reserve because they wouldn't allow it. The border station there was already riddled with bullet holes before this. If the government DID try and enforce the same law there as the rest of the border, people were going to die.

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