There's an extended version online somewhere that shows the bird plucking one of the guys eyes out.

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I think it was just wondering it could carry that much meat

The video is disappointing because a young bird wasn't killed or injured? Get off on violence do you? There's a name for people like you.

Yea was also hoping for a cat or something to jump up and eat it or dog or whatnot.

and yea I get off on violence
avid hunter and killed 18 quail and 4 ducks this past saturday, had a wonderful bbq sunday afternoon with family. Can't wait for deer season

Small penis?
http://dmgd.org/

not really, I don't like my meat processed and chemically treated. I hunt deer, squirrel, rabbit, I grow and hunt quail, ducks, geese, chickens, I also hunt alligator since it's open season year around here due to overpopulation.

I have a chest freezer in the utility room with Elk, Mule Deer, Venison, Lamb as I can. We save thousands of dollars a year on meat since I hunt and have taught my son and daughter to hunt. My daughter is 13 and has already killed her first deer last season. I've also taught them how to skin and clean from fish, fowl and large game, although they usually just watch and clean the buckets for the large game for now, they happily help me skin squirrels, rabbits, bullfrogs for frog legs, etc. It's just how we live and keep grocery prices really cheap, since I usually barter gator tail/venison at the farmers market for most fresh vegetables.

Weapons of choice, .308 / 30-30 / 12 gauge - my daughter and son primarily use 20 gauge as it has little to no kick and great spread for shooting fowl.

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@shang-Mmmmm, mmm-Love me some game fowl, haven't had any inna while-Last time I was in Kansas I saw doves there the size of chickens-Hanging-out near corn fields and grain elevators they get a bit plumper than they do here in the southwest. Squab is good eatin'!

If an animal is killed humanely for the sole purpose of providing food, I am not opposed to hunting. It's when I hear about people "getting off" on the kill that makes me question their motives. What is so thrilling about causing an animal to experience pain and ending a life?

the thrill of the hunt. It's fun, not only does it provide food, it's exhilarating. Stalking the target is the most fun style of hunting large game, as you have to stay down wind, stay quiet, and get close enough for a good shot.

it is "getting off" so to speak. The adrenaline is pumping, it even has a name you can google "Buck Fever" every hunter gets it. "Buck Fever" causes a lot of missed shots, the heart races, adrenaline pumps and you wind up missing or spooking them. But hunting is a ton of fun, if it weren't my kids wouldn't even be interested in it either. Not only does it provide cheap and plentiful food for family, which otherwise I would probably need food stamps to afford meat for family of 4, it's also fun, entertaining, and constantly trying to get better.

Similar to how fps gamers get addicted to keep getting better scores and "kill streaks" same for hunting, I hate missing a flock of quail, I love when we flush a flock of 5 or 6 quail and we can get them all, which rarely happens, usually 2 or 3 are dropped until next flush.

if hunting was not fun, there would be no point, just buy from store...
but it serves a purpose and it's fun as hell.

Aside from the fun of hunting it is also MUCH more environmentaly friendly. Hunters were among the first environmental conservationists, they understand that if you kill them all nothing will be there next year.

Factory farming is a horrible life for an animal.

I am such a hypocryte in my own mind because I eat meat, love the idea of hunting my own, but love animals and I'm not sure I could take a healthy one out even with my own arguments.

I hate that I was brought up "thinking" that meat is grown in white styrofoam with plastic wrap.

We should close factory farms and teach people how to hunt again.

LMFAO that is NOT real is it?? LOL I play hockey with some hunters and in the changeroom I can tell you there is NO correlation between the hunters penis size and the non hunters. lol

I need to get myself a rifle! Fuck the forest creatures. Who would rather see them frolicking and gliding merrily through the forest than laying in bbq sauced pieces on their dinner plates anyway? Who gives a shit about the furry babies and the young birds that are left behind to fend for themselves and that will likely die because their Mothers didn't make it home? They're only animals.

I'm curious. Are you by any chance in the military and would you feel the same sort of rush from shooting a person?

here's a nice one for ya 260 yard kill with 30-06: http://youtu.be/Pcl0H2ZxtAk

or the thrill of an 11 year old's first deer kill: http://youtu.be/95rf5w_k_-E

my father was in vietnam and taught me to hunt, and I'm passing it onto my kids who also love to hunt.

I taught my wife to frog gig, we go out during full moon in a jon boat, I shine spotlight, while she gigs.

Also rabbit hunting on full moon with spotlight is good, course there are old wives tales about hunting rabbit on full moon or the meat will be bad

I don't see what's hard to understand about the fun and thrill of the hunt. watch any hunting, fishing videos and listen to the "hoots and hollers" of excitement.

You ARE a vegetarian and your name is meant to be irony? yes?

If you do eat meat, look at some factory farming videos....THAT is horriffic treatment of animals.

I'd LIKE to be where Shang is psycologically (spelling) but having been raised IN the city I would have to be taught from day one. So I go get styrofoam packed meat and hate myself for the tasty steak that had a HORRIBLE life compared to ANY of the game that Shang has harvested.

I've never even tried venison!!! *cry*

edit: oh and I LOVE to be in Nature. I bring my dogs on a 3 hour backwoods hike (with rattlesnakes and bears) and love to see nature frolick but at the end of the day I like to grill up some meat, maybe a potatoe and throw some lettuce on the plate and bam...dinner.

How about that!? Look at you so proud! I would like to ask how you'd feel if someone shot someone in your family or how you'd feel your children were accidently shot dead in a hunting accident? What kind of a parent teaches their 13 years old how to kill for a thrill or fun? Or even for just to kill!! I'm teaching my daughter to be a doctor maybe even a vet so she might one day saves your daughter or an animal your daughter enjoys to kill!!!!

i dont understand all the flack peeps are dumping on @shang.

he hunts for his own food.
which means he does not support the grotesque slaughterhouse factories but rather fresh game with no gmo-fed poultry or cattle.no anti-biotic or cancer-ridden pork.

that should be praised ya?

or how about the fact that he is teaching his children responsible gun care and safety.
to not only be more self sufficient and self-reliant but also more responsible and safety conscious in regards to firearms.

how is this a bad thing?

oh...
i see.
its because YOU cant relate to how he provides and teaches his children so therefore what he is doing HAS to be some evil indoctrination to find glee in killing things.

so shang is an asshole because you cant get your head out of yours?
because YOU dont own a gun...
because YOU dont hunt for your food...

single-minded,unenlightened self-righteous twats.

my big sister and brother in law live exactly as @shang does.
they grow their own fruits and veggies and hunt (well,my brother in law does) for all their own meat.

my brother in law tried for years to get me into hunting.
i just couldnt do it and chose to be a hypocrite,much like @Buck,because i was too much a pansy to kill bambi.
i much rather prefer the killing be done away(far away) from me.

but the ignorance and presumption being displayed on this thread in regards to hunting for your own meat is..well..staggering.

oh ..
and before anybody decides to jump the assumption shark and start spouting off redneck and deliverance references.my brother in law is a retired electrical engineer and my big sis has two (count em TWO) doctorates.

/ends rant
/drops mic

jumping on a cat for teaching his kids to hunt...
fucking seriously?
christ on a stick......

My taste buds tell my brain that the various flavors of meats are akin in complexity to that of cheeses, yeasts, glandular excretions, etc. that the world's variety of free-range edibles have to provide...for sustenance per availability and desire.

I will not go out of my way to shoot game or foul unless the net return will be me not having to do it again for a long time, i.e. freezer handy, prey is assured. Don't enjoy the kill. Would rather buy it processed having been culled, sometimes got it from food pantries in mountainous regions through road-kill-clearing by the highway department.
Ducks ok, love dove, rabbit, deer and elk, bison and buffalo (thank you white man for killing-off a perfectly good food source)...just don't like pluggin' em even though it's fast, easy...hate the cleaning and dressing mostly, and not fond of killing things I don't wanna eat....oh, and @ Michaldaruk & carnivorous...I'd eat long-pig, but only if I absolutely had to and could slow-smoke it...Oh, and better if I'd known them while alive..I'd probably eat a vegetarian first...

I don't think there's anything wrong with killing an animal you will actually eat, it's the hunting for shits and giggles (sport) that's messed up. As long as you eat your venison you could have bukkake parties with it for all I care. At least you know what it takes to get that meat on your table, you're more likely to appreciate it.
I wouldn't do it myself and I'm slighly creeped out by people enjoying it that much but I can understand it, it's justified.

wow, you MUST be a vegitarian....fuck my spelling.....or a cannibal?

Your daughter, should she become a vet (please do I love my dogs) she would likely have to kill more animals than Shang ever has.

You should spend some time on a farm, any farm with animals even dairy, harsh reality.

For someone who has admitted to being too much of a pansy to kill his own supper, you exhibit an enormous understanding of what goes through the head of someone that enjoys such a hobby.

I've got a story for you. When I was a child, I lived in a rural community full of hunters. Not my family. My parents taught me to love and respect animals. We had a couple of dogs I loved dearly. If stray cats showed up at our door, we fed them and gave them attention. If an animal was injured, we nursed it back to health. In school there were a small group of boys who came from a family of hunters. They were taught to hunt from a very young age and animals had no value to them, other than to be enjoyed as a meal. They would torture animals for the fun of it...throw rocks at the birds and squirrels to score points, stomp on them to finish them off and then skin them so they would have their trophies. They would pull the legs off live frogs. Pour gasoline on defenseless little animals and light them on fire. They got off on making animals squeal and would brag about it to whoever would listen. They also bullied kids at school. They didn't feel any empathy and got a rush from inflicting pain and making children cry and scream. One day I was walking home from school and saw the boys with a gas can. They had cornered a feral cat that I had been feeding and were about to light it on fire. I intervened which led to a violent confrontation and thankfully the cat got away. I hollered for a neighbor to help which scared them off but I still ended up being beaten quite badly. When I got home, one of my dogs was missing. We couldn't find him for days. I later found his charred remains in the adjoining forest to my property.

In case anyone was wondering, my user name "carnivorous" is a long standing pet name given to me by my wife (don't ask). I am not a vegetarian, I eat well balanced meals and have a garden where we grow a lot of our own vegetables and my wife bakes bread and other baked goods on a regular basis. We do make an effort to eat less meat and find other sources of protein such as beans, eggs, nuts and cheese, but when we do eat meat we don't let any of it go to waste and appreciate the animals who lost their lives for our meal. As I stated previously in the thread, I am not opposed to hunting if an animal is killed humanely for the sole purpose of providing food and I would prefer that an animal had a glorious life in the wild, ending in a quick and painless death. The issue I have with shang is not about the hunting, but his enjoyment of the violence associated with hunting and what he is teaching his children about violence and aggression. My children have beautiful innocent little hearts and care about the feelings of people, animals and even insects and I am proud of how I've raised them.

Think me a bully if you will but I have always been the sort that stands up for what I believe in and I will not apologize for that.

@Buck said: "We should close factory farms and teach people how to hunt again."

Hunting can't scale to support a larger population than a hunter-gatherer tribe. So the cost of meat would skyrocket because demand stays high, and supply can't increase.

Meat costing $75 per pound instead of $5 per pound would be a huge reduction in quality of life for everybody.

That's why humans left hunter-gatherer lifestyles in the first place.


The answer will probably end up being the vat-grown meat Silicon Valley is working on now. It will be the health equivalent of organic and free range meat, since it's not fed pesticide food, antibiotics, etc.

@carnivorous
let me first start by apologizing to @pumkinandstorm for derailing her thread.i always seem to do it to her posts.poor thing must hate me.

as for @carnivorous, i usual dont respond to any other posts after i rant (unless its shinyblurry) but i feel you are worth the time.i have read many of your comments and i sense you are a decent sort.

and though i am loath to do it i shall form my response in bullet form,more for expedience than laziness.(bullet responses are a lazy form of argument in my opinion).

1.my comment was not directed at you specifically,hence my generalizations and the use of the open-ended pronoun of "you".though you were certainly included in that use of "you".if i had issue with YOU i would have formed my comment in that manner addressing YOU..specifically.

my problem with some of the comments was not with a moral conflict but rather:presumption and ignorance.your commentary displayed both.

this is not an attack on you nor is it a reflection of how i feel/think/react to you.
it is just a statement based on your commentary.
i was hoping that my rant would possibly illuminate that fact for you (and others).

please reread your commentary in regards to @shang.
notice anything?
presumption.
you presumed to know and understand @shang 's intentions,even when he stated the opposite.
unenlightened.
or ignorant.you decide.because your whole premise is based on how YOU feel/think about a certain activity and you projected that morality onto @shang and found him lacking.
self-righteous.
because @shang participates in something you find abhorrent,it appears by your commentary this gave you the right to chastise and judge him,based on YOUR morality.

2.i do not think you are a bully.i think you were being presumptuous and self-righteous.read your commentary.

3.your rebuttal was no rebuttal at all but rather a conflation.the family you used as your example as "hunters"were not hunters.we have a name for people like that "sadistic psychopaths".appears they made it a family affair.
but to conflate those sick individuals and hunters is obscene and reveals an utter lack of understanding in regards to actual hunters.

4.i respect a man who stands up for what he believes in and i would never ask you to apologize but thats not what my commentary was addressing.

i was addressing the presumptions you were making about @shang based on pretty much nothing.
and while he was responding in a decent fashion you kept sniping at him from the bleachers.

its all trumpets and parades for standing up for what you believe in but how about a little bit of respect and appreciation for someone taking the time to respond to your questions?
especially in regards to something you obviously know next to nothing about?

you cant demand respect for your morals and beliefs and then turn around and deny anothers right for the very same thing.

i mean,think about it man.
you missed out on an opportunity to understand the mindset,motivations or passion for an activity that is alien to you.

your understanding has not moved an inch because of a pre-conceived notion based on what?
a childhood memory?
a few anecdotal experiences?

what a wasted opportunity.
would you have still disagreed?
yeah..most likely.
but at least you would have understood more.
and this practice is also known as empathy.

ah well...
i hope you read this is the context it was written.
with humanity and not an attack on you.

@enoch I love when threads go off track like this! Who would have imagined that a cute video of a bird landing on a guy's head would lead to a hunting debate and even cannibalism (long-pig?? Really @chingalera? Haha) Anyway, I hope nobody is offended by the discussion. I really enjoyed reading all the comments and couldn't wait to log in to see who said what next! I wish every video would get people talking like this. It makes the site so much more interesting and it's nice to get to know people better by hearing the stories about how they live.

I agree with everything you said. I should have said "I wish" first.

The 4 million people in my city would not have any luck after awhile of everyone hunting.......so ya just wishing I guess, not realistic.

Grown meat better taste good!! I really like that idea too, man if we could decrease the amount of cows on the planet we'd all be way better off for a couple of reasons down the road.

I think people who hunt for machismo and bragging rights are a bit primitive, but I can still understand where @shang is coming from. Of course there's a thrill to the hunt; it's a challenge, a competition. Just because someone enjoys that thrill doesn't make them a sociopath.

My dad used to hunt when I was little, but he very rarely got anything. Years later he told me he started hunting because it was a way to spend time with his father, but he never really enjoyed shooting animals. At one point he had sat down against a tree to have lunch and a deer snuck up on him while he was eating. He gave her a piece of his sandwich and pet her for a few minutes while she ate it and then she wandered off.

After that, he stopped carrying a gun into the woods and started carrying a camera. From then on he was taking a different kind of shot, but the thrill of the hunt was still there.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag.(show it anyway)

Sift of the week!

I feel that we've reached a stalemate. Perhaps I'm the only person who perceived shang's initial comment about enjoying violence to mean that HE ENJOYS VIOLENCE. My first thought when reading his comment (and what I continue to believe) was that he was trying to get a rise out of the vegetarians and animal lovers. Why else would he make a statement about wishing the bird in the video would be eaten by a predator and that he enjoys violence and hunting? This video had nothing to do with violence or hunting so why bring it up? I wasn't taking his subsequent comments seriously either because I thought it was a ruse to ruffle some feathers (or so to speak) and that is why I responded in a joking manner. Not everyone appreciates my humor, and in this case it appears I've pissed more than a few people off. What can I say? I am an acquired taste.

You think I don't know any hunters that aren't psychopaths? That is not a correct presumption on your part. As I stated in my previous message, I grew up in a community full of hunters and I have a great amount of respect for most of them. Many I still have as friends that continue to hunt. My father-in-law also hunts. Normal people hunt for food. They don't "get off" on hurting animals. They don't have an addiction to killing. (or at least that's what they tell me)

You referred to those who don't believe in hunting as "single minded, unenlightened self-righteous twats". I'm more than a little surprised that a vegetarian didn't have anything to say about that, or someone that has an issue with guns. Who are we to say that hunting is right and anyone who disagrees with us is wrong? To me, that is a self-righteous statement.

Since there's nothing more I can say to enlighten you or the rest of the group, I'll be on my merry way. I'll finish off by attaching a link of a debate on whether animal hunting should be banned. The results are 50/50 and include plenty of comments.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/should-animal-hunting-be-banned

Last note: pumkinandstorm, I am not offended in the least and have also enjoyed the discussion.

Whenever I kill something, I like to put my penis inside of it.. it seems only right.

On a different note, is a kestrel a kind of hawk? It looks super cool, but very small.

Maybe because I grew up on a cattle ranch, but I never got anything out of hunting besides food and more work piled on the many chores we already had.

I generally disdain people that talk about hunting like it's a foot ball game. It reminds me of the out-of-state hunters that would come in for sport acting all stoked and shit to kill something. They were generally ass-hats that showed little respect for animals or boundaries.

I wondered the same thing myself and according to Wikipedia, a kestrel is a type of falcon. I saw something just like it while I was having lunch in a park today. I kept hoping it would land on my head but no such luck.

Butthurt of the week!

More like "biggest success for a troll" of the week.

Shang's first post was definitely written in such a way as to cause an uproar...and it's hard to see how that could have been accidental.

No one mentioned it yet, so I'd just like to point out that Velocity5's initial comment (the one to which Carny first responded) was tagged sarcasm.

Given the scarlet P adjacent to your name, Carny, you might be unaware that such comments here at the sift should not be taken at face value, much like actual, face-to-face, verbal sarcasm.

To quote Sgt. "Big Toe" Hulka, "Lighten Up Francis."