She could just be saying this to make the police look bad... If it's true though it's unacceptable. Also she says she was throttled by the neck, but there are no bruises so either she's lying or it wasn't that bad.

She might be making it up, true, but if in fact there were 25 other women in there with her, receiving the same threats, she wouldn't be the only one making the claims soon.

Corroboration of her report is given here:
http://www.thelinknewspaper.ca/articles/2698

>> ^shogunkai:

She could just be saying this to make the police look bad... If it's true though it's unacceptable. Also she says she was throttled by the neck, but there are no bruises so either she's lying or it wasn't that bad.


Anyone who calls themselves shogunkai should know there are many martial arts holds (some lethal) which leave no marks.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^shogunkai:
She could just be saying this to make the police look bad... If it's true though it's unacceptable. Also she says she was throttled by the neck, but there are no bruises so either she's lying or it wasn't that bad.

Anyone who calls themselves shogunkai should know there are many martial arts holds (some lethal) which leave no marks.

Lol, obviously, but the way she described it was that she was throttled, not put in a hold. In my mind, throttling is generally a moderately violent act.

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what kind of loser makes comments trying to blame victims and be apologist when she seems reasonable and recounting events in a non-sensational way for the media.

>> ^joedirt:

what kind of loser makes comments trying to blame victims and be apologist when she seems reasonable and recounting events in a non-sensational way for the media.


In no way was I blaming her or trying to downplay the seriousness of her claims, I was just pointing out that it was a POSSIBILITY that she was exaggerating to make the police and government seem like villains. Reading over the corroborations in the link from bananafone it seems that the claims weren't exaggerated, which is unacceptable on the part of the officers in question. My skepticism on what happened was drawn from the simple fact that I was not there. I have been in riots in Montreal, though nothing quite on the scale of this other than after a playoff hockey game, I have never seen nor heard of police acting in this way before in Canada. I still think that she wasn't "throttled" to the extent that she seems to imply though.

>> ^joedirt:

what kind of loser makes comments trying to blame victims and be apologist when she seems reasonable and recounting events in a non-sensational way for the media.


Yes, but who is the victim here? Is her story true, and police officers threatened, in front of witnesses, to rape and gang bang her? Or is it possible the police did not threaten to rape and gang bang her, making her arresting officer a victim of character assassination and a host of false accusations.

The obvious point is that it isn't blaming the victim to simply try to objectively assess who in fact is the victim.

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The G7, G8, G20 etc. aren't held in cities so that world leaders can get together and work out a strategy for solving the problems nations face. They are simply training exercises for the militarized police forces. Giving them much needed real world practice. When the protests step up a notch and full scale armies of protesters start marching against governments the lessons learned from these events will come in mighty handy.

The NWO has already plotted out the course of international affairs this year. Bilderberg was in Spain this year.

Thank you *Canada, for making our cops look not quite as bad, for a change.

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How the hell can you tell if there are or aren't bruises on her neck in this low-res, grainy video? Either you have the "zoom-and-enhance" abilities of CSI, or your suggestion is as clueless and baseless as it sounds.>> ^shogunkai:

She could just be saying this to make the police look bad... If it's true though it's unacceptable. Also she says she was throttled by the neck, but there are no bruises so either she's lying or it wasn't that bad.

An interesting artical here:
http://trueslant.com/colinhorgan/2010/06/29/g20-wrap-up-part-2

Statement from Amnesty International Canada:
http://www.amnesty.ca/resource_centre/news/view.php?load=arcview&article=5453&c=Resource+Centre+News

There are widespread reports of gross human rights violations in what people are calling "Torontonamo Bay" - way too many independent stories for this to be waved off by anyone. I *fear for my Canada.

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>> ^joedirt:

what kind of loser makes comments trying to blame victims and be apologist when she seems reasonable and recounting events in a non-sensational way for the media.


Perhaps someone who has learned from the last few years worth of videos, not to take -anything- on trust, especially when it comes to online videos or pics.

>> ^bananafone:

Corroboration of her report is given here:
http://www.thelinknewspaper.ca/articles/2698


What corroboration? There's nothing in that report about threatened gang rapes, and the single strip search they heard about was second-hand information itself and they admit couldn't corroborate that information nor provide details about whether it was a justified search or conducted appropriately (ie by same gender officers).

>> ^Krupo:

There are widespread reports of gross human rights violations in what people are calling "Torontonamo Bay" - way too many independent stories for this to be waved off by anyone. I fear for my Canada.


People are stupid and easily manipulated.

Remember that.

Remember that it's not only the 'man' that exploits that weakness, but also all the opportunists out there, like the black bloc.

The G20/G8 are always magnets for violent groups that want to sow dissension between the people and the government. From all the Toronto coverage it looks like the stereotypical mess. Swarms of peaceful and respectful protesters assemble. A few people wanting to create tension between those protesters and the police start smashing stuff and setting it on fire using the protesters as cover. The police are thus forced into the impossible situation of separating the few bad apples out from the protesters, all the while private property is being destroyed and set ablaze.

It's small scale guerrilla warfare between the violent protesters and the police, with the protesters caught in the middle.

>> ^demon_ix:
She might be making it up, true, but if in fact there were 25 other women in there with her, receiving the same threats, she wouldn't be the only one making the claims soon.


I say this--25 people use the similar verbiage (Or many of them,) then it is collaboration. If not, there could be truth to what they say. Fear is also a good indication of whether she is lying or not; if she had time to think on the happenings then fear would fade to anger... After all, if I was in a position to have you gangbanged and raped, you might be either A-scared or B-mad... If you saw certain females getting fingered at the cops whims, well, then the threat is not just “perhaps,” it is very real… Silly layers of all the emotion crap humans go through...

I am not saying these indicators are failsafe---however, they are a start. But what happens if she is lying? What should be her fair punishment for her? Ruining people’s lives and marriages and such? That is what usually happens in cases of accusing rape… I have always advocated that if they can prove lying in regards to such a major incident--maybe through video showing no strip searches--then any woman capable of such a horrendous crime against decency should face massive jail time. Otherwise it is a he said she said... (I am aslo not just concerned about the victim in regards to a lie, but I am also concerned about future women who have serious cases of abuse will be less likely to be believed. That is probably the most important perspective.)

Oh---her verbiage is good by itself in this video too... She uses all the right words one should use in court... Some sensational words, others very definition-correct... She reminds me of my mother who was a pathological liar... Well, due to that, I withhold my judgment.

>> ^joedirt:
what kind of loser makes comments trying to blame victims and be apologist when she seems reasonable and recounting events in a non-sensational way for the media.


You are wrong. She was not being "non-sensational." Hell, with the topics of her speech, there is no way she could be non-sensational (No offense to her or you. Rape and gangbang and police brutality is just that, a sensational recounting.)

She does use pre-thought language in a calm (Cold?) manner that would be a great boon for any lawyer, but that is calculated, not non-sensational. She is also very general and very broad (A mitigating fact if she is lying and it also leaves room to make shit up.) In fact, the one thing she states that specifically happened (The men strip searching the women,) was a stutter fest of epic-fail proportions.

You want a comment I find strangely amusing? When she says, "What I would find threatening..."

See, that statement is calculating to me because it makes you think... she was threatened by those threatening statements. Most people in her situation would say, "I was threatened *Insert threatening comments.*" Simple, angry, to the point and not predetermined. But her way makes you think and makes you repusled... I mean, these police obviously thought those statements were not threatening (It is what she is implying without saying such...)

Well, hopefully she is lying but if not, hopefully the police are punished severly. (I am hoping for the least of two evils...)

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What is a more probable accounting would be around this...

The police threatened that if she goes to prision or jail, she would be raped and gangbanged (by prisioners.) That may be an inappropriate comment, but it is not them actually threatening to rape and gangbang her. Those are two completely different beasts. Hell, Scared Staight, the show about teens, used those threats on kids all the time... It supposedly scared some away from crime... It is an observation, not a threat, because rape is rampant in Prision compared to the street.

Still, if it was unlikely she was going to go to prision, the cops were being hats...

Next, the he said/she said of the finger incident... SHE WAS NOT THERE AND IT WAS SECOND HAND GOSSIP BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT KNOW FOR SURE!!! How dare she assume it happened! All these people have a reason to hate the cops... She lost all credibility there...

Even if it happened, it was probably conducted by a medical person as a cavity search because of some comment the protester/friend of hers made. Cavity searches, when done properly, are not against the law in some areas... I think... But what I think is not the point. Point is, why should she put her story on someone else's word?

Even before the G20, I knew the Toronto police are a bunch of corrupt bastards. This video does not surprise me in the least.

>> ^shogunkai:

She could just be saying this to make the police look bad... If it's true though it's unacceptable. Also she says she was throttled by the neck, but there are no bruises so either she's lying or it wasn't that bad.


Oh i see, so choked by the neck but not that bad = legal?

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^shogunkai:
She could just be saying this to make the police look bad... If it's true though it's unacceptable. Also she says she was throttled by the neck, but there are no bruises so either she's lying or it wasn't that bad.

Oh i see, so choked by the neck but not that bad = legal?

It was by a cop during a riot, or at least a very stressful time for them. Does it count as assault if it's by a police officer? Legally I mean.

PLUS on a legal note, the police were given "extended authority" whatever that means...

Haha. Way to go rapist statist idiots.

>> ^blankfist:

Haha. Way to go rapist statist idiots.


You say that as though statist were an insult.

As the saying goes... "when God gives you aids, you make lemonaids.".

And no, I don't feel that way. I just wanted to use it.

There exists a rift between the citizens and government, there has always been a rift. The citizen is one person, the government is a group of citizens, and a set of laws used to maintain the status quo.

There will always be a rift between the people, and an amorphous conglomeration of people that is made into an authority. Like Home Owners Associations, like Parent Teacher Associations, like the KKK, like the Baader Miehnhof, like corporations, police departments, Al Qeada, Taliban, Republican, Democrat. I would equate it to Tribalism. Simply put survival of the fittest, and the fittest are always part of a tribe. Unless they are already at the top of the food chain. Some tribes are much more insidious than others.

It has always been with Humans, one group vying for power over the other group. So it shall be for the rest of the Species existence, it is the natural order of things.

Before you ask, I'm not Human. I'm a Philosocat, much like a Philosoraptor.

>> ^shogunkai:

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^shogunkai:
She could just be saying this to make the police look bad... If it's true though it's unacceptable. Also she says she was throttled by the neck, but there are no bruises so either she's lying or it wasn't that bad.

Oh i see, so choked by the neck but not that bad = legal?

It was by a cop during a riot, or at least a very stressful time for them. Does it count as assault if it's by a police officer? Legally I mean.
PLUS on a legal note, the police were given "extended authority" whatever that means...


That means they get to do whatever the fuck they want, and the laws do not apply to them. I would want to know who authorized the extended authority. Have them tarred and feathered.

If you can't beat up on dirty hippy anarchists destroying your town who can you beat up?

ETA, her story is full of inflamatory rhetoric and non-specific accusations. If she's not full of doo doo, she discredits herself by using these tactics.

Blessings,
JIMP

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