you mother fuckers i still havent upgraded from vista yet

cool

Notice that Windows 7 seems to be underneath when they run Excel. I don't like this. They should make the commitment to the new paradigm else it's going to be a dodgy compromise.

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This was John Gruber's main criticism - one more layer on top of something that needs to rebuilt from the ground up. http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/windows_8_fundamentally_flawed
>> ^Deano:

Notice that Windows 7 seems to be underneath when they run Excel. I don't like this. They should make the commitment to the new paradigm else it's going to be a dodgy compromise.

>> ^dag:

This was John Gruber's main criticism - one more layer on top of something that needs to rebuilt from the ground up. http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/windows_8_fundamentally_flawed
>> ^Deano:
Notice that Windows 7 seems to be underneath when they run Excel. I don't like this. They should make the commitment to the new paradigm else it's going to be a dodgy compromise.



True. I guess though it must be one huge codebase to maintain compatibility across to the new version and somehow make the interface as consistent as possible. In other words they're going to fail at some of this. But it might be the price needed to move Windows on.

Idea - what if they did break compatibility? What if you had to rewrite your code? Would that be so bad? They could then provide a new security model and control their app store with an iron fist. I still think informed users would be able to install anything they like (hell it's still a Windows PC) but many users would find themselves nudged towards chargeable applications.

Oh and yeah, they need separate versions for tablet and PC, one version can't do it all. Apple definitely do this the right way.

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A fresh start would be good, and then use emulation or virtualisation to run the old Windows programs.

Apple has shown that this can be done. First with the move from Old Mac OS to to the completely different OS X then with the move from Power PC to Intel. Both changes required emulators to run the old programs and were then eventually discarded.

>> ^Deano:

>> ^dag:
This was John Gruber's main criticism - one more layer on top of something that needs to rebuilt from the ground up. http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/windows_8_fundamentally_flawed
>> ^Deano:
Notice that Windows 7 seems to be underneath when they run Excel. I don't like this. They should make the commitment to the new paradigm else it's going to be a dodgy compromise.


True. I guess though it must be one huge codebase to maintain compatibility across to the new version and somehow make the interface as consistent as possible. In other words they're going to fail at some of this. But it might be the price needed to move Windows on.
Idea - what if they did break compatibility? What if you had to rewrite your code? Would that be so bad? They could then provide a new security model and control their app store with an iron fist. I still think informed users would be able to install anything they like (hell it's still a Windows PC) but many users would find themselves nudged towards chargeable applications.

Neat enough.

I'm probably a freak but in my ripe old age of 38, I feel like my brain hasn't really evolved much beyond what Windows XP offers. I'm sure children weened on game controllers with dual joysticks and a trillion buttons will have brains hardwired to enjoy these operating systems that seem to encourage not actually concentrating on one thing at a time but just watching all the task switching in this video made me physically nauseated.

Could have been the veggie dogs I just ate though.

I guess the "bigger" point I'm trying to make is that it seems like perhaps we've reached the point where the user interface is beginning to mold the way our brains work rather than our brains molding the UI.

>> ^petpeeved:

Neat enough.
I'm probably a freak but in my ripe old age of 38, I feel like my brain hasn't really evolved much beyond what Windows XP offers. I'm sure children weened on game controllers with dual joysticks and a trillion buttons will have brains hardwired to enjoy these operating systems that seem to encourage not actually concentrating on one thing at a time but just watching all the task switching in this video made me physically nauseated.
Could have been the veggie dogs I just ate though.
I guess the "bigger" point I'm trying to make is that it seems like perhaps we've reached the point where the user interface is beginning to mold the way our brains work rather than our brains molding the UI.


Society is being dumbed down. Meaning, newer OS are easier to use than older ones. New features? A quick 5 minute tour once you get your new software installed. It's really not a big commitment, but it's well worth it IMO

As a dedicated Windows user since at least the last century, I can say I look forward to Windows continued march to irrelevance. It's all about the Cloud going forward. Google knows this, and Microsoft (and to a lesser degree Apple) are resisting it. Instant-on computers, built around a browser and apps. That's all that's necessary now.

I'm really not a big fan of a touch screen unless it's on a small cell phone screen. It's just sort of a pain in the ass. Everyone has been trying to create a new control scheme away from mouse/keyboard with stupid little console controllers, touch screens, joysticks, WoW mice, but until I can control the computer with my god damn mind I'm sticking with the mouse and keyboard.

windows 8 looks awesome as long as I can close all that crap out and use windows

windows phone for phones and windows 7 have a baby that doesn't even look like a pc. Why you hate yourself microsoft?

I fucking knew it! I was saying to someone a year or so back that the OS may become the browser. And here they are with apps built with HTML5 and JS. I definitely think that's the way things are going.

Still, can we trust the creators of IE? *shudder*

For me it seems like what we have seen is a new version of the "Media Center" in Windows 7.
I think they focused on that thing to be able to present a good "App"-Management system because they want to run that shit on cell phones too.
So what's actually about windows 8 is not revealed in the slightest.
I don't like neither the design nor the usability of it though.

So basically the desktop is now a webapp with a smartphonish interface. If thats what you want, sure go for it. But then I wonder why you need a PC in the first place. I hope I can still back off to the classic interface and not have to deal with a 24" smartphone every time I want to play a game.

I guess they want to stop developing 2 operating systems at the same time so they gave windows 8 a user interface a smart phone can handle and that's that.

Meh.

It looks like windows gadgets all over again. Meaning, I'm going to disable them and run in regular windows, because I can and because that's better for me.

It's sort of funny that every time they "reinvent" the style of the OS all anyone ever does is look for the option for "classic" mode. The worst part of reformatting every year is trying to disable all the stupid new features and get it back to classic mode (aka not-cluttered mode). A good example is trying to find anything in control panel when it isn't in classic mode.. what a PIA

I also pray that they don't change the new OS to all visual cues like the modifications they made to their office products. I STILL can't find half the options I want in the new office software when they used to be just organized via WORDS, the way it should be. It's like they're trying to make this stuff viable for illiterates or something..

>> ^luxury_pie:

For me it seems like what we have seen is a new version of the "Media Center" in Windows 7.
I think they focused on that thing to be able to present a good "App"-Management system because they want to run that shit on cell phones too.
So what's actually about windows 8 is not revealed in the slightest.
I don't like neither the design nor the usability of it though.


It really reminds me of a Zune/Media Center baby...

>> ^residue:
It's like they're trying to make this stuff viable for illiterates or something..

well that would be in fact pretty neat, wouldn't it?