Sure...

I've given birth. I have no trouble believing anything in this video. People vary SOOOO much, and cultural expectations are powerful.

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The patrician medical industry is vested in keeping childbirth a scary, painful experience. Epidurals and C-sections are their favorite tools.

People have had full operations under hypnosis , and hypnosis is essentially meditation , Its a shame that these sorts of things are hijacked by the irrational and religious.

Interesting. I think the whole context in which procedures are done can change so much about your experience. I just tense up the moment i enter a hospital. It does affect your treatment and recovery. The way c-sections have become so common has always horrified me - there's got to be something wrong with that.

I suspect that most people being lazy won't want to go through all this kind of prep and just use the meds and get out of the hospital asap.

You heard it - you all gave your mothers orgasms.

No no, we have to accept alternative solutions to pain... maybe give them hemp? Maybe they need some nice homeopathy, so they can clear out the toxins that cause pain during child birth. This is what the patriarchal medical community doesn't want you to know! Vote green.

Thus further deepening the Oedipus Complex chasm whereas the child is able to give the woman an orgasm more frequently than the husband!

This is *quality information to get out there.

Boosting this quality contribution up in the Hot Listing - declared quality by arvana.

similar video (not a dupe) @ http://www.videosift.com/video/Orgasmic-Birth

Not dissimilar from being fisted. If your fist is the size of a watermelon... and sentient.

in these tough times, using your baby as a dildo can be an economical way to cut down on expenses.

Let me guess: she's selling a book.

I wonder if I can have an orgasm if I shove a baby in my bum?

>> ^gwiz665:
Maybe they need some nice homeopathy, so they can clear out the toxins that cause pain during child birth.


You mean giving them distilled water?

I wonder if the same could be applied to kidney stones...

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I think a lot of people have a problem with the association of sexuality with childbirth- it's hard to come to terms with the idea that sexual pleasure is an incentive and reward for procreation. We've built it up into something much grander, sexier, hotter and more romantic through culture (hello porn industry!) but at its heart, it's about germination.

>> ^dag:
The patrician medical industry is vested in keeping childbirth a scary, painful experience. Epidurals and C-sections are their favorite tools.


I hope you're joking. That's about as ignorant as Bill Maher's view on vaccines.

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^No, I'm not kidding. I've experienced an atmosphere of intimidation in a standard hospital birthing ward. I've also experienced a home birth. It's night and day.

In the hospital, women are strapped up to incredibly uncomfortable fetal monitors and made to lie in a certain position so the computers back in the nursing station can get an accurate reading- there are women screaming, alarms going off and an atmosphere of medical emergency. It's no wonder that labor often stops - when women feel they are not in a safe place - and a Caesarean becomes necessary.

The birth of our second child was in an environment much like the one in the video - except no pool. We had a qualified midwife there to help us- with all of the gear, and a backup hospital on standby. We also had my partner's trusted friends - a group of strong women to be supportive through the whole process. Back rubs, soothing music and lots of support made for a fantastic birthing experience that I would recommend to anyone. Our baby was breach, and over 12 pounds.

My partner was also a member of a 100 strong homebirth support group, and we did six months of Bradley classes - so no, I don't think I'm speaking from a position of ignorance- but I'd love to hear your story, and why you think I am.

From a medical standpoint I'll add that sure, this could be great for normal births that lack congenital defects and yield healthy babies. Using midwives and birthing at home will be less costly to you as a 'consumer' of medical care, and gives us, the medical staff, more time to worry about those babies that do have a problem and need constant monitoring, etc.

So yeah, normal baby = go right ahead.

Sick baby = take your chances, but I don't recommend it.

>> ^mentality:
> I hope you're joking. That's about as ignorant as Bill Maher's view on vaccines.

I'd agree with Dag. Hospitals are amazingly intimidating, they seem to give a sense of foreboding fear that something is wrong. I hate them, hate them with a passion. Might have something to do with my sister spending 80% of her childhood there but ... who knows, and they go out of their way to make sick kids hospitals more friendly. I've spent a few times there myself(because of critical surgery, or other surgery), but even if people are sick I avoid going there unless I'm in excruciating pain, dying, or I can't get cut open somewhere else.

while i'd agree with you that women in labor are sometimes intimidated by hospital settings and made uncomfortable within them, to say that the medical industry and its practitioners intentionally cultivate such an environment is a slap in the face of a multitude of people who have dedicated a majority of their lives to helping others. it's also plain wrong. i've never seen an epidural given to a woman who didn't want one, but i've seen plenty of women begging for pain relief who initially wanted none. while i'm glad your personal experience of home birth went well, like tymbrwulf points out, there are many for whom unique circumstances result in an emergency trip to a hospital and a birth that is far from optimal.

>> ^dag:
The patrician medical industry is vested in keeping childbirth a scary, painful experience. Epidurals and C-sections are their favorite tools.

so pretty much they're being fucked by an infants body...

Most of us men spend the first 9 months of our existence trying to get out of the womb, and the rest of our lives trying to get back in.

I agree with dag. C-sections are considered normal practice, and they're typically unnecessary. The hospitals make more money doing surgery than not, so you can understand why they convince so many scared, terrified first time mothers into getting them.

>> ^blankfist:
I agree with dag. C-sections are considered normal practice, and they're typically unnecessary. The hospitals make more money doing surgery than not, so you can understand why they convince so many scared, terrified first time mothers into getting them.


[citation needed]

In a "proper" medical society, the money the hospital makes on surgery etc. does not factor in to anything. When procedures and medicine are compromised my money concerns from doctors, everyone suffers.

Hospitals are intimidating to anyone at almost all times, so it's no wonder that people can be pushovers in a situation like child birth, where both parents are pretty vulnerable. The problem with this is that doctors and nurses incentives are not necessarily to give the parents the best care, but doing it the easiest way possible for the hospital.

My own (I use the word lightly) recent experience with friends that had a baby is much different - they were given pretty free reign over what they could do, how it should be and such. They were given a bunch of counseling on it and made the decision based on that and their own research. The hospital wanted to give her an epidural, but she refused and pulled through (so to speak).

I think there are inherent dangers in disliking the medical system, because there is so much "alternative" stuff out there that is complete bullshit. Not wanting to pop pills for everything is one thing, but a doctor does have a lot of training (and hopefully experience) - going "back to basics" and birthing in a freaking stable is not a better way, but it can be an alternative if the doctors OKs it (from the pre-birth tests and such). It can certainly limit the amount of intimidation that can arise from being in a hospital, but if something _bad_ happens, I would feel much safer in the hospital personally.

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I do think they cultivate such an environment, perhaps not intentionally in all cases - but the relationship between patients and doctors, in my experience is mostly about domination and control. I'm not against medical science, I am for breaking down the walls between the medical world and consumers.

>> ^E_Nygma:
while i'd agree with you that women in labor are sometimes intimidated by hospital settings and made uncomfortable within them, to say that the medical industry and its practitioners intentionally cultivate such an environment is a slap in the face of a multitude of people who have dedicated a majority of their lives to helping others. it's also plain wrong. i've never seen an epidural given to a woman who didn't want one, but i've seen plenty of women begging for pain relief who initially wanted none. while i'm glad your personal experience of home birth went well, like tymbrwulf points out, there are many for whom unique circumstances result in an emergency trip to a hospital and a birth that is far from optimal.
>> ^dag:
The patrician medical industry is vested in keeping childbirth a scary, painful experience. Epidurals and C-sections are their favorite tools.

>> ^dag:
I do think they cultivate such an environment, perhaps not intentionally in all cases - but the relationship between patients and doctors, in my experience is mostly about domination and control. I'm not against medical science, I am for breaking down the walls between the medical world and consumers.

That is starting to change. The old generation of doctors, especially surgeons do have a paternalistic relationship with their patients. However, for quite a while now, medical education has shifted heavily to a patient centered, team based approach.

And as E_Nygma pointed out, it is great that your births went well. But having worked in Obstetrics and seen some of the fucking complication nightmares that can occur, it is ridiculous for me to even consider a birth without some form of OR and surgical team ready on hand. And there is such a huge shortage of OBs that it's hard to find one who is not overworked and overstressed. They do it out of a sense of duty to their communities and their profession. They sacrifice their personal lives so that in case the shit hits the fan, there's someone there to save you. And it's not that some OB's prefer C-Sections just for their patients for profit. Studies show that a significant portion of OBs prefer, and select C-sections for themselves. It's not some industry trying to screw you out of your money.

And painting epidurals as something unnecessary, and used instead to line the OB's pockets, is so ignorant. You might as well say the same thing of antibiotics, vaccines, and anesthetics in general.

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^I wasn't saying that it was all about money - though I do think that's a part of it for many. I think that the medical profession appeals to individuals who enjoy having power over other people. I feel the same way about police.

I don't think it's right to paint all doctors as great martyrs- doing it all for their community. They are human, and there is a whole spectrum of motivations. I certainly don't think they deserve quite the pedestal that most people place them on - or a free-ride, or even the benefit of the doubt.

I'm generalizing and speaking from personal experience only for sure. These are my opinions, but I don't think it's fair to call them ignorant. There's a level of hubris, and blind certitude that goes along with medicine - that is, in my opinion unscientific.

Things like the over-prescription of anti-biotics, the over-use of epidurals, scheduled caesarians to match convenient days, the debacle of dangerous drugs like Viox, Fen-phen and others -- deserve scrutiny and assessment - not a white washing over, and dismissal that doctors play no role in these matters.

These guys are still around, they're just pushing other drugs besides nicotine:

Bottom line: Would you risk your babies safety in the event something DOES go wrong, for the chance to have a 'beautiful birthing experience' ?

Go have a spa day; your baby doesn't give a shit if you were relaxed. I think it would prefer to have the best shot at coming out healthy and safe.

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