Meh. Old news. This is high school stuff.

The title is also wrong. Nowhere in this piece does CNN call Christians hypocrites, in general. The host paraphrases Dudley as saying that "many of those who use the bible to oppose homosexuality" are hypocrites. I'm guessing that most Christians don't have strong opinions against gays, and if they do, most of them don't use the bible as back up -- they say it's just unnatural, just like non-religious homophobic bigots do.

it's funny how it's a high school conversation/argument yet many haven't even gotten that far mentally.

The Bible states that homosexuality is wrong.

A majority of Christians believe homosexuality is wrong.

Therefore, Christians are hypocrites because they ignore other parts of the Bible ignored by most everyone, such as hair length.


The real hypocrisy here is moral relativists at the Commie "News" Network accusing anyone else of selective morality.

>> ^quantumushroom:
The Bible states that homosexuality is wrong.
A majority of Christians believe homosexuality is wrong.
Therefore, Christians are hypocrites because they ignore other parts of the Bible ignored by most everyone, such as hair length.
The real hypocrisy here is moral relativists at the Commie "News" Network accusing anyone else of selective morality.


Morality is selective. I would believe in the bible except I would have to stone all three of my teenage daughters by their teenage years; and I don't want to do that.

Your logic is sound, but I've got a feeling it's a media distortion (from all sides -- polarization and controversy sell newspapers) that a majority of Christians believe homosexuality is morally wrong. I think they mostly put it in the same category as men not having long hair and so on. I'd like to find some numbers though (a 5-minute Google search turned up nothing useful).

If I'm wrong, then CNN is giving undeserved airtime to an author who calls a majority of Christians hypocrites.

Regardless, yes, CNN are hypocrites themselves, considering the first "N" in their name stands for "News".>> ^quantumushroom:

The Bible states that homosexuality is wrong.
A majority of Christians believe homosexuality is wrong.
Therefore, Christians are hypocrites because they ignore other parts of the Bible ignored by most everyone, such as hair length.

The real hypocrisy here is moral relativists at the Commie "News" Network accusing anyone else of selective morality.

Actually, @Lawdeedaw's own self, thinking on it... you may not have to stone your own daughters... You could just prepare sacrifices that would atone for their sins. Yes I am Christian again! Wooty woot.

http://videosift.com/video/Peter-Godly

"Ah, most pleasing to the Lord."

Everyones a hypocrite and it's ok except when it's not. Damn this society stuff is hard.

if you think you know the will of the omnipotent, assuming IT exists, you're an arrogant idiot.

the bible was written by humans, and reflects their times, their customs, and their insecurities.
for fucks sake

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i love jesus and i love the kid (in the video)'s blog.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/21/my-take-bible-condemns-a-lot-so-why-focus-on-homosexuality/

remember when god was asking you to sacrifice your children by burning them?
"Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." Genesis 22:1-18

If anyone asks me to be a Real christian, I'll be wanting to see them burn their sons.

how about we compromise... lesbians are ok, dudes gotta wait a few more years... because, um, less gross?

Ya know, fat people having sex is gross, too. But we don't outlaw things for being gross. It's long past time for us to grow the fuck up and let people live the way they want to.

>> ^quantumushroom:

The Bible states that homosexuality is wrong.
A majority of Christians believe homosexuality is wrong.
Therefore, Christians are hypocrites because they ignore other parts of the Bible ignored by most everyone, such as hair length.

The real hypocrisy here is moral relativists at the Commie "News" Network accusing anyone else of selective morality.


Fuck me. Mistaken upvote. Ack. Where is the downvote -9000 plus 1 button?

His interpretation is incorrect. There are several passages in the Bible which condemn homosexuality, both in the Old and New Testaments, most notably in Leviticus, Corinthians (written by Paul), and Romans (also written by Paul). As Paul (and most Christians at that time) was a Hebrew, he would have been referring to the Hebrew law derived from the Old Testament.
The passage mentioned in the video above is most likely referring to Corinthians, one of Paul's letters that contains references to both of homosexuality and the hair issue. It should be noted that the passage referring to homosexuality is what Paul refers to as "unrighteousness," or actions that will result in damnation, most notably for those who are Christians that still participate in these actions. This is important to note, because, if I recall correctly, the first letter Paul wrote to the Corinthians was one to admonish them for their significant deviations from Christian beliefs. He was pointing out sins that were occurring amongst their own membership, especially in the first part of his letter.
The second half of this letter, in which the references to hair can be found, consists more of guidelines for a more holy life for the members of the Corinthian church. This is more of a cultural constraint, since during this period of time, it was accepted that men wore their hair short and women wore theirs long. Those wearing their hair otherwise were rebelling against societal norms, which Paul contended was not the Christian attitude that should be displayed. For modern Christians, this passage states that going against societal norms is perhaps not the correct attitude a Christian should take.
Now some modern Christians are a little more literal in their interpretation of this guideline. My own church, for example, is a bit more strict and does follow the whole "men=short hair, women=long hair" deal, but it depends on the church's interpretation. (Also, I'm simplifying here, as there's a bit more to that passage than just how you look to others, but I'll keep it at that for now.)

So what does this all mean? Dudley's example was an incorrect one. Perhaps he misspoke, or perhaps he did get some of his research incorrect. He is right that many Christians are somewhat hypocritical in their actions. I certainly have had my own issues in this area. However, it does not mean that just because they are hypocritical in one area, they should be hypocritical in another. Better to correct the issue at hand than to bring another issue into the mix.

"So what does this all mean?" it means that the bible is an old outdated book which shouldnt have any importance today other than a record of local mythology from a time best left behind.

>> ^rottenseed:

it's funny how it's a high school conversation/argument yet many haven't even gotten that far mentally.


No shit, this just in: everyone is a hypocrite. What are we, still 15, hanging out at the local Denny's, drinking coffee and shoulder-tapping for smokes?

He's shilling for his book, creating a controversy and deriding other Christians as hypocrites..

Matthew 7:1-5

Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

A real Christian doesn't take scripture painfully out of context..God tested Abraham..it's not a call for believers to sacrifice their children. If you love Jesus, you wouldn't trash the word of God which He confirmed as truth. Many Christians, like this kid, are guilty of apostacy which is making up your own gospel. This kid is not only out of line, he is sowing discord in the body which is the work of the devil.

John 14:23-24

Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

>> ^marinara:
i love jesus and i love the kid (in the video)'s blog.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/21/my-take-bible-condemns-a-lot-so-why-focus-on-homosexuality/
remember when god was asking you to sacrifice your children by burning them?
"Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." Genesis 22:1-18
If anyone asks me to be a Real christian, I'll be wanting to see them burn their sons.

>> ^shinyblurry:

He's shilling for his book, creating a controversy and deriding other Christians as hypocrites..
Matthew 7:1-5
Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.


oh god, it's some sort of infinite hypocrite loop. everybody into the bomb shelter.

Good points.

It's not universal, but for the most part, when gay 'marriage' is put to a vote in the USA, it loses. California's Prop 8 comes to mind, and I believe in the 90s in Hawaii--at the time the state most likely to legalize it--'gay marriage' failed to pass by a large margin.

It's possible others oppose gay marriage simply because it's not traditional marriage (e.g. also oppose polygamy) or simply "something new".

Has anyone surveyed gays themselves to discover if the majority in that community is even concerned over marriage rights?








>> ^messenger:

Your logic is sound, but I've got a feeling it's a media distortion (from all sides -- polarization and controversy sell newspapers) that a majority of Christians believe homosexuality is morally wrong. I think they mostly put it in the same category as men not having long hair and so on. I'd like to find some numbers though (a 5-minute Google search turned up nothing useful).
If I'm wrong, then CNN is giving undeserved airtime to an author who calls a majority of Christians hypocrites.
Regardless, yes, CNN are hypocrites themselves, considering the first "N" in their name stands for "News".>> ^quantumushroom:
The Bible states that homosexuality is wrong.
A majority of Christians believe homosexuality is wrong.
Therefore, Christians are hypocrites because they ignore other parts of the Bible ignored by most everyone, such as hair length.

The real hypocrisy here is moral relativists at the Commie "News" Network accusing anyone else of selective morality.

Religion poisons everything.

>> ^gwiz665:

Religion poisons everything.


Especially the kool-aid.

I'm not pronouncing judgement on the kid..do you see me condemning him? We're all hypocrites..if he is going to call other Christians hypocrites that is just a joke. We are only saved by the grace of God.

>> ^solecist:
>> ^shinyblurry:
He's shilling for his book, creating a controversy and deriding other Christians as hypocrites..
Matthew 7:1-5
Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

oh god, it's some sort of infinite hypocrite loop. everybody into the bomb shelter.

I find something inherently masochistic about gay people wanting to be married in an institution that loathes them.

Unless it's secular, but then it might as well be a civil union/partnership. I guess I'm missing something.

I still don't get why gay marriage is ileagal in a country that has separation of church and state.

>> ^PalmliX:

I still don't get why gay marriage is ileagal in a country that has separation of church and state.


Separation of Church and State is easy, it's just ironic that the State protects an individual's right to screw up the State according to their whacked-out, hearsay belief system.