I can't get enough of Maher stating what should be absolutely evident to everyone.

And the comparison between the storks bringing babies and intelligent design is a very apt one. They're both just stories, fables, ways of explaining things in REALLY SIMPLE TERMS so that simple minded folk can understand... they should never EVER be confused with what ACTUALLY happens.

And all these creationist pains in the arse who try to suggest there is any debate going on in the science community really get my back up, like REALLY get it up. STOP LYING to everyone, get over the fact that creationism is merely a story, and that evolution is the way things work.

End of story...

>> ^spoco2:
And the comparison between the storks bringing babies and intelligent design is a very apt one. They're both just stories, fables, ways of explaining things in REALLY SIMPLE TERMS so that simple minded folk can understand... they should never EVER be confused with what ACTUALLY happens.

I actually found it to be a poor comparison. Babies coming from storks are what adults tell children, but the adults don't actually believe what they're saying. Most people who don't believe in evolution actually believe they're right, but not because they've earnestly examined the possibility of evolution. Rather, they're afraid to consider that it may actually be possible, they put too much stock in the knowledge of their spiritual leaders, and/or they're too lazy to give evolution an earnest look.

"Stupidity isn't a form of knowing things..." That's YOUR opinion.

>> ^Xax:
>> ^spoco2:
And the comparison between the storks bringing babies and intelligent design is a very apt one. They're both just stories, fables, ways of explaining things in REALLY SIMPLE TERMS so that simple minded folk can understand... they should never EVER be confused with what ACTUALLY happens.

I actually found it to be a poor comparison. Babies coming from storks are what adults tell children, but the adults don't actually believe what they're saying. Most people who don't believe in evolution actually believe they're right, but not because they've earnestly examined the possibility of evolution. Rather, they're afraid to consider that it may actually be possible, they put too much stock in the knowledge of their spiritual leaders, and/or they're too lazy to give evolution an earnest look.



...but adults telling other adults about creat..............is ok.hehe.

>> ^dead_tofu:
...but adults telling other adults about creat..............is ok.hehe.


No, my point is that in the stork scenario, people don't actually believe what they're saying, while those who don't believe in evolution do actually believe in what they're saying. I'm not defending that belief, there's just a very significant and obvious (or so I thought) difference.

...so you are trying to make the obvious, more obvious?

Evolution: I don't know why something happened, but hopefully someday we'll find out.
Intelligent Design: I don't know why something happened, so it was God, and we don't need to find out.

ID shouldn't be taught. Not because it's bad science, but because it isn't science. And why would you teach a non-scientific argument in a science class? Take it to the theology or philosophy class and leave it there.

Actually the Stork and creationism comparison isnt just apt, in some respects its actually the same argument. The theory of sex leading to babies is actually, at its core, a theory of inheritance. The sole requirement for evolution by natural selection is inheritance. If it is true that children inherit characteristics (genes) from both their parents. Then Evolution MUST be true. So in a sense, if you are a creationist, you also have to, at some level, deny inheritance.

smarmy, vindictive, sarcastic, asshat, at it again......self-important little fucker, that nose was tailor-made for the copious amounts of coke he vacuums....his fans????....Well, hmmmm...just rough around the edges, maturity and actualization usually takes care of most of it.....

Beliving in god is the same as beliving in santa claus.

Try replacing the stork scenario with abiogenesis. Specifically the belief that rats sprang from grain in granaries. Because people - adults - believed that.

The only reason people (adults)don't believe the stork thing is because its readily apparent where the baby comes from the moment its squeezed out a woman's vagina as she screams in pain. If babies were birthed with little or no discomfort, I'm willing to bet a lot of adults would believe in the stork.

Non-scientists preaching intelligent design is like children telling younger children that babies come from storks, with the proof being that somebody older told them that.

I can debunk everything he says with one statement.

MAGIC IS REAL.

Where is that opposition party?

I don't get the whole deal about ID v. Evolution. Why don't the ID-ists just say that God designed a universe with all these things in it, including evolution? Then they could get behind science as a way of appreciating God's masterpiece.

If they're really just hung up on the whole "God created Earth 6,000 years ago" thing, why don't they say that God created earth 6,000 years ago... and from day 1 it appeared to be billions of years old? God could do it, right?

Problem solved... everyone move along now.

>> ^ridesallyridenc:
If they're really just hung up on the whole "God created Earth 6,000 years ago" thing, why don't they say that God created earth 6,000 years ago... and from day 1 it appeared to be billions of years old? God could do it, right?


That's basically what a lot of them say. They also say that the reason we can see light from stars millions of light years away is that God created the light beams already well on their way across the galaxy, streaming towards earth. The whole thing makes no damn sense to me. Why, as an almighty creator, would you devise this beautiful, elaborate system of natural laws, and then just start everything from some random point, with everything nicely orchestrated to make it appear to the people on earth that the universe was millions of years old? Why wouldn't you just devise your system of natural laws, then start the big bang and let the nature you so perfectly created run its course? Seems like a sloppy way to run a universe to me.

'Cause God is a devious bastard who's metaphorically tossed us a Rubik's cube and is sitting there with a watch to see how long it takes us to figure it out. And sometimes it seems we're just peeling off the stickers and putting them where we want. The instant the world is solved it will cease to exist and be replaced by something even more weird (as said the late, great Douglas Adams, the only man who knew everything, but somehow managed to keep it a secret from God).

>> ^Xax:
>> ^dead_tofu:
...but adults telling other adults about creat..............is ok.hehe.

No, my point is that in the stork scenario, people don't actually believe what they're saying, while those who don't believe in evolution do actually believe in what they're saying. I'm not defending that belief, there's just a very significant and obvious (or so I thought) difference.


You really think people believe in god though? I'm not so sure, I mean, yeah theres probably a really small percentage who truly, honestly, fervently believe in god--but these people are likely mentally insane.

If people really believed in god they would be quitting their jobs and screaming in the streets to save their friends and loved ones. If they truly believed in eternal damnation--that they would literally burn in hell for all time--they would be insanely paranoid about every action, they would be walking on glass their entire lives for fear of the wrath of god. If people really believed in god and heaven, everyone would be thanking god when someone dies--there wouldn't be crying and mourning, they would be laughing and celebrating their entrance to heaven. Nobody really believes in god, they just all play along so they can get comfort during a family death, cope with a rough time, or to feel like a unique and special butterfly after a "miracle". I mean...you have to admit, religion, despite all its "importance" in our society is really a pretty casual affair.

The world would be a vastly different place if people honestly believed in god.

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