no, no no no no no.....I knew there was a reason I didn't like him.

Separation of Church & State.

UGH.

i'm fine with them teaching the bible as long as they include the koran, the tora, the budist teachings, the eching, and the rest of the world's religions. my guess is they wouldnt be ok with that so no.

My guess is Chuck's hot wife withheld sex until he promised to be "born again".

that's a great 'stash Mr. Norris, keep the educating to the educators.

chuck norris is becoming progressively artificial looking

What's funny is that only the first eleven digits of 1 (888) BIBLENOW are significant.

"WTF! THIS ISN'T 1 (888) BIBLE-NO! ARGG!"

I wonder how much he was paid to sell his soul to christianity? Knowing how cheap his 'action' films are - I'd say not alot of dollars!

This was a joke right?
Bible taught as history? omfg

Just like no.

religious debate.... tom cruise versus chuck norris

Tom Cruise, lightning bolt!
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Go Chuck Norris!
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It's super effective!
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The Founding Fathers could never imagine the federal leviathan that is the Department of Education. Get rid of government schools; give that money back to the people who earned it.

"The Bible is being taught as history..."

WHAAAAT?

I'm thinking the Fathers could stomach the Department of Education much easier than the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives.
But hey, nice effort on trying to change the subject.

Well, he does have a point. A lot of people speak of "separation of church and state", but there is nothing whatsoever that legislates this. The constitution never says a thing in regards to the way in which people throw around "Separation of church and state".

The idea behind the amendment was to keep the government out of religous activities, not for the government to keep the idea of religon out of the lives of people. Seriously, we are not talking about forced indoctrination.

But, I do believe there should be an option to teach and take this class for whoever wants. As long as there is no prostylizing, there should not be a problem in teaching the bible.

I don't know one person who has gone through public school in the US who has not had some sort of lesson on the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian dieties. Why not teach the Bible in the same way?

Do people actually believe that the general population has such a low IQ as to think they cannot form their own views, just as most have done with those Greek/Roman/Egyptian dieties? I don't see a lot of Americans running around worshiping Zeus or Anubis...

We do not see the ACLU trying to throw away Greek, Roman, and Egyptian history, why then do people wish to throw away such an obvious part of American history.

I'm not trying to start a theological fight, just an educational one. I see no need for the complete abandonment of something that does play a major part in the history of the majority of Americans (regardless of their current beliefs).

The irony of your post is that all of the worlds major religions are based on Egyptian beliefs. EG the Niles' annual floods called Argh Noah=Noah's Ark; Amen-Ra is the main Egyptian god whos name was said after prayer... You should have watched my (now discarded) post: The Naked Truth.

I think the point is that the bible is in no-way any kind of accurate depiction of history (except the bit on the first page stating which version, such as King James edition!) History is the facts of our past to the highest level of reality possible (mostly prooven by the science of Archeology - not the beliefs of Theology).

Personally, I'm not keen on the idea of religion in education - I see the two as being mutually exclusive. Although I would never want to force my view on anyone; religion itself does enough of that already. I'd only expect a clear warning as to what 'belief' is to be pushed on my child (I'd never send any of my children to a Catholic school, for example).

Benjee,

Please, don't get the wrong idea; I am not promoting preaching anything.

But, to think that the bible is devoid of historical facts, is a little... wrong. It is full of historical information. Remove the "theological" from it, and it is slap FULL of history.

Again, I am NOT supporting the indoctrination of youth into believing that Jesus was the son of God or anything.

But, the fact remains that those beliefs ARE a large part of the history of the USA. Just as we were taught (in history class) of the different gods of the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian civilizations... why not at least study what is most definatly part of our own?

Christianity is the biggest factor of the UKs history in two millenia: the Church of England, the British empire & many of its conflicts shows this. But still, the bible is in no-way involved with history anywhere other than in religious education, or churches /theology colleges (I know this from my own history!) It's impossible to remove the religions based on the bible from itself - they are co-dependent.

Explaining a religions ideology is the purpose of priests in the first place; history academics shouldn't take their jobs. The Egyptians, Greeks & Romans are the progression of an ancient civilisations beliefs (as they were living together around the same area and time). They are not practiced in the same way today after almost 6000 years (how many Egyptian high-priests do you know?) - so it's history (even though its concepts live on through modern religion).

I don't mean to be hostile in anyway (it's your country, not mine): I just have strong opinions on religion from knowledge & personal experience. I believe the bible is not a text book for anything other than RE (even then an incomplete one without the cut chapters), as it has no accurate dates it cannot be historical fact; and again ironically, archeology has proved this already!

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Church is the place to go to learn about the bible, not school.

There are some schools in the UK now that teach intelligent design. These are state schools which also have a wealthy backer (a christian one). One of these is in the north east of england and is backed by well known car sale company. They only recruit teachers that have similar believes and have had the objectors forced out. As it is a state school the parents have little choice but to send them there (other than moving). Theology is not truth but someones interpretation of a text for their own benefit. Read into the bible what you like, but don't impose your views. If children want to learn about the bible there is Sunday school.

Wow NickyP, I didn't realize that ID brainwashing had spread to the UK. I thought it was mainly over here in Jesusland. Maybe someone needs to petition that school board to also teach the theory of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Wow, I can't believe I'm actually going to agree with QM on this. You're absolutely right - the Founding Fathers NEVER imagined a public school system that could and should be attended by anyone and everyone. And agreement ends -- because we're not a nation of slave owning "gentleman" farmers anymore! Public schools are essential to a literate electorate.

Today's word is "literacy." Can you say "literacy?" Oh, apparently not, Mr. Bush.

I don't know one person who has gone through public school in the US who has not had some sort of lesson on the Greek, Roman, and Egyptian dieties. Why not teach the Bible in the same way?

Even better graduation requirement - pass the same test that applicants for naturalized citizenship have to pass!

Oh Chuck, how thou hast failed me.

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so much i wanna say but i'm just too angry to form a coherent sentence.

Hey guess what! This country was not founded as a Christian nation! It's nice that all these fundies feel that they must lie in order to spread their message.

Why Chuck, WHY?!

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