your preference is in fact what happens now.

Cheers James!

Actually, my USAF anniversary video I submitted (which expired) to the Army Navy Air Force collective does not show. (?)

yeah you are right firefly, and I am wrong. I realized that nothing in my collective, has ever been so unlucky as to die in the queue, must be a pretty sweet collective huh . I have apprised lucky, this might bear a little contemplation. I seem to recall our original thinking being that videos that got out were indicative of quality, but I could understand arguments to the contrary as well. Maybe it should be a flag for collective owners.

I personally think it should stay the way it is. As you may recall, collectives are intended to be user-run, topic-specific mini-channels. So when non-collective-members come browsing around one such mini-channel, they should not have to suffer through listings full of videos no one found interesting enough to vote for. Equivalently, you wouldn't expect to browse thru a channel and find discarded videos hanging around forever.

Playlists are different because the existence of those is to allow individual members to group any videos they find interesting, and they are browsed as such. Hence the "related videos" page.

OK, that's fine.

I've gotta disagree with lucky760 - " they should not have to suffer through listings full of videos no one found interesting enough to vote for". Not every video that expires is boring - some just get lost in the queue. It makes the collectives' richer places if expired videos are left on them.

I think James is right 'Maybe it should be a flag for collective owners." Collective owners should be able to choose whether they keep expired videos on the collective or not - this would be my preference. Or there could be a lower number of votes needed to keep videos on a collective - say 6 - but 10 votes would still be required to publish a video on the front page of the main sift site.

Or how about a section for discarded videos, like everyones profiles? I'm with Gwaan on this one - the Collectives are an extension of Playlists for me (but with a social Sift twist).

wouldn't it also be a good idea for discards to remain in the listings so that collective members can see potential saves from ignored *quality.

Gold Star member michie has awarded gwaan one published post for this quality Sift Talk contribution.

I agree with the 'alternate collective-specific discards' listing proposal for the reasons presented above.