I can't be certain what you mean by "up here" but in the Canada I live in, physical therapy is not lumped under chiropractics and is covered by healthcare.

Physiotherapy is covered by our healthcare system because it is an accepted and proven medical treatment. Chiropractic 'medicine' is not, and therefore should not be covered, just as fairy dust and tiger penis potions are not covered.
>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^jwray:
>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^blankfist:
Very sad. I've seen good people in my home state (NC is my home state) worry about receiving coverage. My brother sells insurance in that state. He even knows the system is fucked.
At some point we gave over our power to choose medical treatment to the insurance companies. Today our insurance plans are meal plans (meaning visits to preventive care is covered, such as pediatricians, OBGYNs, etc.) instead of catastrophic care (meaning emergency visits, unexpected health emergencies and hospitalization).
Nowadays doctors and dentists have raised their prices to offset the constant denials of coverage from insurance companies. Out of necessity they've raised their prices knowing the ins. companies will usually deny coverage.
For a year now I've tried to have a "gum graft" cleared through my insurance. After going back and forth, finally it was cleared. But a year ago when I made the request it would've cost me just my copay of $10. A year later they've raised my premium, modified my treatment meal plan and raised the copay, and now I owe a copay of $20 plus $238 of the treatment. I don't mind paying that much because I really need this done, but it's obvious they waited for the changed so they could save a couple hundred bucks.
And the treatment would'nt cost so much if the dentists (and doctors!) didn't require insurance. And they've raised prices mainly to subsidize the staff needed to handle the insurance companies (and the time spent going back and forth with the insurance companies). When's the last time you've ever heard a doctor or nurse give you dollar amount for your visit? Not often, because all we care about is the copay, right?

"At some point we gave over our power to choose medical treatment to the insurance companies."
I am terrified to ask this Blankfist, but what is the alternative? Presumably like this guy you can just not bother with insurance and choose medical treatment yourself based on what you can afford, right? Isn't any other alternative the evil machinations of Statists like me?
I am after all Canadian, and we truly have given over our power to choose medical treatment to the government. Though, it's a mixed bag up here where private hospitals and medicine is illegal and vehemently decried as inherently evil, while at the same time dental, chiropractic and optical medical treatments are all 100% private for profit enterprises and good luck getting the government to spend a dime on you if you need treatment in those fields.

Chiropractic is not a real medical field in the same way that homeopathy and voodoo aren't. If you have back problems, go to a real GP doctor and they can refer you to whatever kind of specialist you need (which is NOT a chiropractor).

Up here any physical therapy generally gets referred to or lumped in under chiropractors, and you've got a big fight on your hands to get the government to count it as a covered universal health care treatment. If you need any physical therapy from a major join injury, good luck to you. Despite the government refusal to allow the existence of any for profit hospitals, those for profit hospitals frequently don't provide the recovery therapy for many things that people end up doing without, or paying out of pocket for.
I guess my overall point is what is the alternative to the insurance companies? It basically amounts to some form of government intervention to either regulate, replace or ban them. None of which I can imagine being alternatives that Blankfist is willing to tolerate, let alone advocate for.

>> ^jwray:

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^blankfist:
Very sad. I've seen good people in my home state (NC is my home state) worry about receiving coverage. My brother sells insurance in that state. He even knows the system is fucked.
At some point we gave over our power to choose medical treatment to the insurance companies. Today our insurance plans are meal plans (meaning visits to preventive care is covered, such as pediatricians, OBGYNs, etc.) instead of catastrophic care (meaning emergency visits, unexpected health emergencies and hospitalization).
Nowadays doctors and dentists have raised their prices to offset the constant denials of coverage from insurance companies. Out of necessity they've raised their prices knowing the ins. companies will usually deny coverage.
For a year now I've tried to have a "gum graft" cleared through my insurance. After going back and forth, finally it was cleared. But a year ago when I made the request it would've cost me just my copay of $10. A year later they've raised my premium, modified my treatment meal plan and raised the copay, and now I owe a copay of $20 plus $238 of the treatment. I don't mind paying that much because I really need this done, but it's obvious they waited for the changed so they could save a couple hundred bucks.
And the treatment would'nt cost so much if the dentists (and doctors!) didn't require insurance. And they've raised prices mainly to subsidize the staff needed to handle the insurance companies (and the time spent going back and forth with the insurance companies). When's the last time you've ever heard a doctor or nurse give you dollar amount for your visit? Not often, because all we care about is the copay, right?

"At some point we gave over our power to choose medical treatment to the insurance companies."
I am terrified to ask this Blankfist, but what is the alternative? Presumably like this guy you can just not bother with insurance and choose medical treatment yourself based on what you can afford, right? Isn't any other alternative the evil machinations of Statists like me?
I am after all Canadian, and we truly have given over our power to choose medical treatment to the government. Though, it's a mixed bag up here where private hospitals and medicine is illegal and vehemently decried as inherently evil, while at the same time dental, chiropractic and optical medical treatments are all 100% private for profit enterprises and good luck getting the government to spend a dime on you if you need treatment in those fields.

Chiropractic is not a real medical field in the same way that homeopathy and voodoo aren't. If you have back problems, go to a real GP doctor and they can refer you to whatever kind of specialist you need (which is NOT a chiropractor).


Up here any physical therapy generally gets referred to or lumped in under chiropractors, and you've got a big fight on your hands to get the government to count it as a covered universal health care treatment. If you need any physical therapy from a major join injury, good luck to you. Despite the government refusal to allow the existence of any for profit hospitals, those for profit hospitals frequently don't provide the recovery therapy for many things that people end up doing without, or paying out of pocket for.

I guess my overall point is what is the alternative to the insurance companies? It basically amounts to some form of government intervention to either regulate, replace or ban them. None of which I can imagine being alternatives that Blankfist is willing to tolerate, let alone advocate for.

>> ^jwray:


Chiropractic is not a real medical field in the same way that homeopathy and voodoo aren't. If you have back problems, go to a real GP doctor and they can refer you to whatever kind of specialist you need (which is NOT a chiropractor).


In Australia they allowed the chiropractic profession to join the consortium of medical health professionals governed by our health body (AHPRA)

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^blankfist:
Very sad. I've seen good people in my home state (NC is my home state) worry about receiving coverage. My brother sells insurance in that state. He even knows the system is fucked.
At some point we gave over our power to choose medical treatment to the insurance companies. Today our insurance plans are meal plans (meaning visits to preventive care is covered, such as pediatricians, OBGYNs, etc.) instead of catastrophic care (meaning emergency visits, unexpected health emergencies and hospitalization).
Nowadays doctors and dentists have raised their prices to offset the constant denials of coverage from insurance companies. Out of necessity they've raised their prices knowing the ins. companies will usually deny coverage.
For a year now I've tried to have a "gum graft" cleared through my insurance. After going back and forth, finally it was cleared. But a year ago when I made the request it would've cost me just my copay of $10. A year later they've raised my premium, modified my treatment meal plan and raised the copay, and now I owe a copay of $20 plus $238 of the treatment. I don't mind paying that much because I really need this done, but it's obvious they waited for the changed so they could save a couple hundred bucks.
And the treatment would'nt cost so much if the dentists (and doctors!) didn't require insurance. And they've raised prices mainly to subsidize the staff needed to handle the insurance companies (and the time spent going back and forth with the insurance companies). When's the last time you've ever heard a doctor or nurse give you dollar amount for your visit? Not often, because all we care about is the copay, right?

"At some point we gave over our power to choose medical treatment to the insurance companies."
I am terrified to ask this Blankfist, but what is the alternative? Presumably like this guy you can just not bother with insurance and choose medical treatment yourself based on what you can afford, right? Isn't any other alternative the evil machinations of Statists like me?
I am after all Canadian, and we truly have given over our power to choose medical treatment to the government. Though, it's a mixed bag up here where private hospitals and medicine is illegal and vehemently decried as inherently evil, while at the same time dental, chiropractic and optical medical treatments are all 100% private for profit enterprises and good luck getting the government to spend a dime on you if you need treatment in those fields.


Chiropractic is not a real medical field in the same way that homeopathy and voodoo aren't. If you have back problems, go to a real GP doctor and they can refer you to whatever kind of specialist you need (which is NOT a chiropractor).

A Christian is someone who follows Christ and the true church is the body of Christ. This means that all the different denominations are false divisions in the body. This doesn't mean they don't have any Christians, it just means that the church is not a human institution..the catholics for example, most of what they do is not biblical, and is in fact blasphemy. There is no such thing as a pope, or nuns, or monks or priests in the bible. Neither are there sacraments. The conception of the virgin mary and the immaculate conception are both unbiblical and blasphemous. The same with bowing to statues, the worship of Mary, and confession. The catholic church is rife with apostacy. Does this mean no catholic is saved? I wouldn't say that..I don't limit God. I would say though that if I were catholic I wouldn't be confident of my salvation.

I wasn't "indoctrinated". I grew up agnostic, without any religion. I was a strict materialist who would have fit right in with many of the sifters here. I can understand the perspective of someone who can't see a spiritual reality because that used to be my perspective. I probably would have scoffed at this video too, but it would have been from the depths of ignorance. I have direct knowledge that there is a demonic host controlled by Satan who runs this world and is bent on seperating every soul on Earth from Jesus Christ. I have dealt directly with evil spirits, spoken to them directly, and have been directly deceived by them. This girl, whatever her history is, is/was possessed..of that there is no doubt.

Science is great, but this is spiritual warfare. You may not understand it, but you live in harmony with this world system and thus passively support the objectives of the enemy. Everytime you're arguing against Christ, you are doing Satans work for him. The world itself isn't frightening..

matthew 10:28

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. If you're a jew, you should know that much.
>> ^G-bar:
First, It is stated in the video that she had had this "possession" for a long time, and her medieval parents were taking her to those voodoo sessions for quite some time. This hints that the girl could be suffering from a minor mental illness and/or autism, which the parents are either too dumb or too religious to realize. Making her do things against her will over and over again might make her go completely crazy.
Second, If catholics are not the real Christians, who is? what are you shiny? how can you justify your own belief as the correct one?
And to sum it up, you throw every possible scientific measures against evolution, and now this? come on shiny, let go of your childhood indoctrination. Use your own eyes to see the world and you will see it is not as frightening as they told u it would be.

First, It is stated in the video that she had had this "possession" for a long time, and her medieval parents were taking her to those voodoo sessions for quite some time. This hints that the girl could be suffering from a minor mental illness and/or autism, which the parents are either too dumb or too religious to realize. Making her do things against her will over and over again might make her go completely crazy.

Second, If catholics are not the real Christians, who is? what are you shiny? how can you justify your own belief as the correct one?

And to sum it up, you throw every possible scientific measures against evolution, and now this? come on shiny, let go of your childhood indoctrination. Use your own eyes to see the world and you will see it is not as frightening as they told u it would be.

You are right Voodoo.

As soon as the genealogy of disadvantage born from forced immigration, slavery, segregation and racism are no longer evident in hindering ones prospects in society then these organisations have no legitimacy. As soon as America ditches the notion of total individual accountability that is so crucial to the "American dream" they might realise that their empire was built on the backs of an injustice that continues to this day. One either has to accept that there is something inherently inferior about being black that makes them predisposed to poverty (and by extension crime and lack of education) or accept that the social institutions that govern American life are complacent with not addressing past injustices.

They also have a cooking oil satchel you slip into burning oil!!
Main ingredient : Potassium Carbonate


And this BONEX 119 works with some voodoo concoction of carbonate and some ammonia...

And no, it won't smother you (might, but since there already is a fire, there is probably smoke, so GTFO anyways)..
CO2 produced - 4000ppm (Labor Safety Standard is 15000ppm within 15mins –STEL)
Ammonium Gas produced – 20ppm (Labor Safety Standard is 35ppm within 15mins-STEL)



The main ingredient appears to be Ammonium Phosphate.

>> ^bobknight33:

Why do you think you deserve a piece of someone else pie? Make your own pie. Like you, I'm just trying to keep my pie for my family.
I agree that corporations are not paying any taxes and that is a damn shame.
I not sure that we started going bankrupt at the end of the Bush era. I believe its been building for a lot longer. I do agree that Bush did his fair share of damage on the budget.
I'm not calling for blood but having government employees unionized is just wrong. Sure they can do it but it is just fundamentally and morally wrong. One would want to serve the government not get at the expense of the average taxpayer.
>> ^Ryjkyj:



I deserve a piece of America Bob, just like everybody else who pays for it. I hate to tell you this, but it's not just yours.

Voodoo is right. It's way more than just a "damn shame" that the largest corporations pay almost no taxes. Waaaaaaayyyyyyy. more.

I love that you can say that Bush did his fair share of damage and yet spout the same politics with what I assume is a straight face.

I'm not even sure what this means dude: "One would want to serve the government not get at the expense of the average taxpayer."

I was going to post this yesterday but then the sift was down so it's probably too late, but I had it saved so here it goes:

I don't think people should go out of their way to take offence to these kinds of videos. It's propaganda, and it would be interesting to some, but there is nothing new or particularly insightful here. If you don't fit the description of the video, you can probably safely move along. However, it describes many people.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Isn't there something inherently stupid about telling someone they're wrong about their beliefs because "no one knows"? Well then, how would you know dummy?

Some things are unknowable. People claiming the opposite are either liars or simply mistaken. Acknowledging (knowing) that this statement is true does not cause a contradiction.

>> ^shinyblurry:

I am a highly rational and logical person...

I don't mean to pick on this (at least not in a mean way), but if this is true you must have considered the massive amount of psychological delusions that humans make on a regular basis. People believe they have been visited by aliens. Even in the modern age many people in various countries believe they are following Gods on earth and believe they've witnessed miracles conducted by those man-gods. People (even presently) believe in witches, demonic possession, voodoo, astrology, homeopathy, dowsing, bigfoot, ghosts, etc, etc, etc.

Violent crime victims have been utterly surprised and ashamed when DNA evidence proved that their sworn and BELIEVED eyewitness accounts were misremembered and that people they were POSITIVE perpetrated the crimes against them indeed did not. Some people believe God tells them directly to kill others. Or that they themselves are the Messiah.

And generally speaking, the human mind has evolved to find patterns in noise: to interpret coincidence as cause and effect.

Given all of this, what is more likely: that all of these claims and beliefs are true? Or that just the ones we agree with are true? Or that perhaps few or none of these claims are true and they reveal the fragile nature of the human mind.

If we can accept the latter explanation, that we are limited machines with limited resources processing vast information in real time under great stress over decades of experiences... perhaps when we find ourselves seeing, remembering, or believing something unsupported by physical evidence, perhaps we should logically consider that we *should not* believe it.

Back to lurking...

I would have agreed with you voodoo if it weren't for what I learned after Keith Olberman left MSNBC. Apparently these guys have a lot more say over what they talk about over the air than it would seem.

And as far as Fox getting rid of Glenn Beck, why would they? Fox news is all about the stupid crap Glenn Beck puts out. Glenn Beck IS Fox News.

Remind me of the babe!!!

QUIET!



>> ^Fusionaut:

Do what?>> ^EMPIRE:
You do!
>> ^Fusionaut:
Who do?>> ^EMPIRE:
The power of Voodoo!
>> ^Fusionaut:
What power?>> ^EMPIRE:
The babe with power...
>> ^Fusionaut:
Which babe?>> ^EMPIRE:
You remind of the babe...

Do what?>> ^EMPIRE:

You do!
>> ^Fusionaut:
Who do?>> ^EMPIRE:
The power of Voodoo!
>> ^Fusionaut:
What power?>> ^EMPIRE:
The babe with power...
>> ^Fusionaut:
Which babe?>> ^EMPIRE:
You remind of the babe...

>> ^EMPIRE:

You do!
>> ^Fusionaut:
Who do?>> ^EMPIRE:
The power of Voodoo!
>> ^Fusionaut:
What power?>> ^EMPIRE:
The babe with power...
>> ^Fusionaut:
Which babe?>> ^EMPIRE:
You remind of the babe...








What?

You do!

>> ^Fusionaut:

Who do?>> ^EMPIRE:
The power of Voodoo!
>> ^Fusionaut:
What power?>> ^EMPIRE:
The babe with power...
>> ^Fusionaut:
Which babe?>> ^EMPIRE:
You remind of the babe...