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Portland's Rapid Response Team Quits Over Accountability

newtboy says...

Those are decent points, but have absolutely zero to do with the mass abandoning of their positions. It was 100% due to one of their own being charged after beating nonviolent protesters. They originally admitted exactly that, and now that they aren't being supported in their walkout, they are coming up with excuses that didn't matter to them the day before the officer was charged.

I think they should have to pay for the training and equipment they now refuse to use.

What are you talking about? You think budget cuts caused time off to be cancelled?! It costs double to not rotate in other officers, because you pay those on duty overtime, it doesn't make it cheaper. Budget cuts were not the issue when these cops were doing crowd control, only now that they're suddenly called to account for their own actions. No time off temporarily, because of extreme circumstances, was not an issue until one of their own was charged. It's certainly not abnormal, and absolutely not because of budget cuts, it costs more.

No prosecutions is the norm, if I recall, over 98% of charges levied at protesters have been dismissed nation wide, mostly because police had no evidence to back the charges they brought. You might note, as described in the article, "Mr. Schmidt immediately announced that he would focus on prosecuting cases of violence or vandalism; protesters who simply resisted arrest or refused to disperse after a police order would not necessarily be charged." They are taking a stand against anarchic violent protesters, but not the peaceful protesters with a legitimate gripe about violent, racist, deadly police acting as an anarchist gang that believes rules only apply to you, not them.

There are few prosecutions in large part because police declare riots when all participants are peaceful and not causing damage, and police are almost always the one's giving the orders to remove the people they declared "rioters", and in most cases they have zero evidence to back up their declarations, and are as violent as possible, beating peaceful videographers and reporters who were trapped and could not disperse, then charging them with refusal to disperse and resisting arrest, even violence against police for attacking police batons with their faces.
(Edit: remember the freeway shutdown when they marched on the freeway, and police blocked them from exiting or continuing while a second group of police came from behind, forcing them into a small fenced in area with no exit, then charged them all with refusal to disperse and the few that tried to disperse were charged with attacking police officers who blocked every escape route, violently attacking anyone trying to leave...all on live tv?)
Many peaceful protests became riots only after police moved in to violently disperse protests, fully 1/2 were riots because counter protesters and bad right wing actors like proud and boogaloo boys were planting bombs, shooting crowds, starting fires, driving through crowds, and murdering police in an effort to paint protesters as violent anarchists. That is verified fact directly from the DOJ investigation.

It's not a Portland only thing, police abandoning their communities because, as they indicated to the DA, "“It was like, ‘There’s our team and there’s their team, and you are on their team and you’re not on our team. And we’ve never had a D.A. not be on our team before,’” Police assume they are on a team against citizens, and won't do their jobs if, by doing them wrong with bias and malice, they might be prosecuted. They are used to immunity, and don't know how to do their jobs without it because they are abusers of power.

One day after charges were levied they quit in solidarity with the criminal abusive cop, and came up with fake excuses later.

You seem to have missed "the Justice Department said that the city’s Police Bureau was violating its own use-of-force policies during crowd-control operations, and that supervisors were not properly investigating complaints." part.

Mordhaus said:

In this case, I sympathize because Portland has refused to assist or back any of their police in the riots there. The DA has refused to charge anyone who resists arrest or refuses to disperse after police have been given orders to remove rioters (they are rioters. even the Mayor is now saying to stop calling them protesters and to call them anarchists instead).

Why would anyone want to go out, night after night, and face the same people you arrested the night before doing the same stuff?

The fact also exists that Portland has made massive cuts to the police budget. That has led to time off being cancelled for police, no rotations to move fresh police into the riot situations so the same ones have to deal with the face to face confrontations with no break, and the alternative policing option which was hands off was tabled. "A paramedic and a social worker would drive up offering water, a high-protein snack and, always and especially, conversation, aiming to defuse a situation that could otherwise lead to confrontation and violence. No power to arrest. No coercion."

There are a lot of problems with police, for sure. Portland's government is the driver behind these issues, though. Until they start taking a stand against these anarchist, violent protesters (who are PREDOMINANTLY white), the situation will not get better.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/09/us/portland-protests.html

How To NOT Use A Roundabout

spawnflagger says...

lived and drove in Qatar for a few years - there were many 3-lane in and 3-lane-out roundabouts. (also drove in UAE where it was the same). You are supposed to yield to those cars already in the roundabout. Several of the roundabouts also had red-lights (aka "signals", aka "robots"). Left lane is for going left (3rd exit on a 4-way roundabout). Middle lane was for going straight (2nd exit). Right lane was for going right (1st exit). Usually works fine once you're used to it. You aren't supposed to change lanes inside the roundabout, and use your right turn signal when you are exiting (and crossing lanes to exit). If you are maintaining speed and people are yielding and exiting as they should, no collisions.
Trickier roundabouts are those with more than 4 exits, or with additional "slip roads".
On the straight roads, there's no notion of fast-lane or passing lane. But if there's a Land Cruiser tailgating you and flashing their high-beams, change lanes. It's not personal, or road rage, the locals just like to drive fast (and often in any lane in the roundabouts)
Another difference between driving in USA is that green means go, in any direction... whereas in US, left turn is yield on green, unless there's a green arrow.

How To NOT Use A Roundabout

newtboy says...

Yes, but it gets weird if lane three (fast lane) goes straight but lane two (middle lane) wants the third exit or uturn.
If everyone yields to cars on their left, it works, but you gotta keep your eyes wide open and pay attention, and actually yield, all things Americans are loath to do.

Spacedog79 said:

If you were just going straight then you can usually use any lane to enter, just be sure to exit in the same lane. Traffic joining should yield so there should be no one crossing your path.

How To NOT Use A Roundabout

Spacedog79 says...

If you were just going straight then you can usually use any lane to enter, just be sure to exit in the same lane. Traffic joining should yield so there should be no one crossing your path.

newtboy said:

Nice....but I did notice a number of cars in the video weren't following the rules they were describing!

We got caught out in Iceland on the freeway. We had little opportunity to choose the correct lane to just go straight, and no opportunity to read road markings and direction signs at near freeway speeds. Good thing there's almost no traffic there or we might have caused a wreck.

I think single lane roundabouts are great....but with the unintuitive and nonstandard rules paired with poor average driving skills I don't think multi lane versions belong in America. Freeway roundabouts are just plain nuts.

How To NOT Use A Roundabout

newtboy says...

Um....once you are in the middle/center lane, you have to cross the outer lanes to exit in any direction. On the freeway roundabouts, three lanes wide, 95% of all traffic in all lanes went straight through, meaning the middle lane cuts off the outer and center lane cuts off both outer lanes. You seem to suggest everyone should be in the middle lane for that, but that simply cannot be correct. The exits had three lanes, so it makes sense they expect all three lanes might exit....or all three might continue around. I saw both things happening, people on the outer ring not exiting, and people on the inner ring going straight through like it wasn't there. It all seemed incredibly dangerous and a total freeforall.

No, sorry, that's not how I've ever seen one, and absolutely not how they work in Iceland. The lanes do not spiral outwards. All three lanes form a circle. If you keep in your lane, you'll be there forever. You have to cut across outer lanes to exit. You've been on some very different roundabouts it seems.

In Iceland, if you're in the fast/left lane, you enter across the two outer rings to the center ring, then cross both outer rings again to exit. I think the inner ring had right of way, but I'm not sure. (Edit: checked, that's correct) My wife just refused and made me drive.

Spacedog79 said:

Multiple lanes are for going different directions, left to go left, middle to go straight on and right to go right. If people get in the correct lane ahead of time they shouldn't need to cut anyone off.

In the US for example going left you'd be in the left lane, but as your go around the lane you're in will merge right. If you keep in the lane you'll be on the right by the time you get to your turnoff and you won't be in anyone's way.

How To NOT Use A Roundabout

newtboy says...

Hmmmm....in America, and I'm pretty certain Iceland (the only countries I've been in with roundabouts) it's the reverse....the car in the roundabout has the right of way. The yield signs are at every entrance. That works fine on single lane roundabouts.

My big question is, on multiple lane roundabouts like freeways, which lane has the right of way? How does a car in the inner lane exit without just cutting off the outer lanes?

TheFreak said:

Here's the issue I have with roundabouts in America.

Merrka! FUck yeah!

We're full of "me first" individualists. In Sweden I dealt with the giant freeway roundabouts and it works because you yield to people entering the roundabout. Sounds counter intuitive but as long as EVERYONE FUCKING COOPERATES it works.

I deal with a roundabout almost daily and the issue is that when an American gets onto it their instinct is to block people entering. It's the exact same mentality that has someone speed up to block you from changing lanes in front of them on the highway.

The end result is everyone pulls up and has to come to a complete stop while the people on their left get on and try to accelerate hard to prevent the people on their right from entering. Fucking absurd.

To be clear:
You don't yield to people already in the roundabout when you're entering.
You do yield to people entering the roundabout when you're already in it.

How To NOT Use A Roundabout

newtboy says...

They installed a double roundabout freeway exit/entrance here, in Arcata, about 4-5 years ago. The only signs are yield signs. Because it's got two one way freeway exits, two one way freeway entrances, and one through street it's pretty hard to mess up.
Now, the roundabouts ON the freeway in Iceland, three lanes wide, those were incomprehensible.

psycop said:

I'm from the home of the good 'ole roundabout and honestly... I don't get how you are meant to use this thing. Also yes, ours are absolutely plastered with signs and help.

Is this two one way roads, or was it just random chance that all the traffic was going one way? Normally one side of the road would be for return traffic?

Took a wee while, but I found a picture of a normal looking roundabout and even in a country where people use them all the time there are a lot of attempts to tell you how to use it:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56302000/jpg/_56302665_roundaboutsofwales2012june.jpg

Radiohead's "Videotape" is weird and amazing

StukaFox says...

Not only is "Videotape" brilliant, it's also incredibly haunting -- right up there with "Exit Music (For a Film)". There's very few pieces of music which have actually stopped me in my tracks and forced me to listen, and "Videotape" is among those few pieces.

Radiohead will be considered "Classcial" music in 200 years.

Stephen Jackson Fiancee won't sign the PRENUP...

Mordhaus says...

Marriage is a contract, but it isn't complete because a good contract should have penalty and exit clauses. A pre-nup addresses those. I got lucky and my marriage has lasted 22 years, but I am the exception and not the rule.

Also, *nsfw for n word later in video.

Testing Your Metal

StukaFox says...

I was riding the bus in Paris, and all the streets in Paris were designed for anorexic horses in the 17th century and fuck you for trying to fit your fat-ass 21st century car down them -- much less a huge city bus. So we're squeezing down this street and we come across a moving truck blocking the road. I, as an America, am awaiting horns, swearing and automatic weapon fire. Instead, the driver stops the bus, turns it off, hops off and goes and has a smoke. The people in the bus were being totally French about it: not a murmur of complaint.

Two years later, I was in Canada and some dude cut off a taxi at a light. Out hops the taxi driver to confront the driver of the other car. I start scanning for my exit once pop-pop-pop / muthafuckas drop gets underway. Instead of a spray of bullets, or at least an amusing fist fight, the taxi driver shakes his finger at the guy and gets back in his cab.

I live in mortal fear of getting shot on the road in America over some stupid bullshit (this actually happened to me once: some asshole in Cupertino cranked off three rounds at my car when I accidentally cut him off). It's so amazing to visit civilized countries and see people acting decent and calm to each other.

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bobknight33 says...

I didn't say that.

The can bury down to the 10 or so page.
IF you not on first few you basically dont exits.

newtboy said:

Lol. You’re such a lunatic paranoid snowflake you think google can erase all traces of the proof that ANTIFA committed the insurrection and tried to force a coup for Trump (what insanity) not only from google, but yahoo, bing, the DOJ, DHS, FBI, YouTube, etc. everywhere but parlor, where oddly enough you still can’t find it
You can’t find it anywhere because it’s another Republican lie, not because it’s been purged from the internet. Duh.

🤦‍♂️

Plane taking off in traffic in Alaska

It's a Critter Christmas

newtboy says...

What a maroon.
Next time try opening the door, closing other interior doors, and keeping your dog from standing between the animal and the exit.
I bet she's not even with it enough to get her dog treated for possible rabies after it was bitten.

She should be grateful it didn't become a woodland critter Christmas, blood orgy and all.

Epic *fail

Officers Rescue Two Deer With Locked Antlers Using a Shotgun

Vox: The Electoral College, explained.



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