Absolutely no doubt about it--he says, "fucking coons."

[Edit: I would imagine that he has changed that phone number by now]

Fuckin' Mexican Hispanic-neighborhood-watches, how do they work?

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i'm glad this story is finally getting the attention it deserves. I hope zimmerman is finally arrested and brought to trial.

no kidding, clearly enough to charge with manslaughter now and then... his own negligence = kid dead

http://newsone.com/nation/tjstarr/trayvon-martin-skittles/

WTF? This dude was a minority himself.

Wow. Irony.

"oh shit he's running"

Yeah... because your stalking him asshole!

Zimmerman was white.

Why is the concept of a person belonging to a minority also being a racist so mind boggling for some people. The two are not mutally exclusive. The Tutsi and Hutu are both black...

Doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman was white. Yeah, anyone can be racist, but the dynamics in this case aren't colorblind. Zimmerman's racial status in his own eyes and in the eyes of the local police had no small role in his actions and the (lack of) police response.

I've got to say, when I first heard the tape (before all this "coon" stuff started) it sounded to me like he said "fucking punks". That's still what I hear, but I can also believe that he said "coons". Still, though, it seems to me that there's enough doubt about what he's saying that we shouldn't get carried away with this.

>> ^longde:

Doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman was white. Yeah, anyone can be racist, but the dynamics in this case aren't colorblind. Zimmerman's racial status in his own eyes and in the eyes of the local police had no small role in his actions and the (lack of) police response.


Eh..... I dunno dude. Could you define what you would consider as 'White'? Because for me, this dude would be considered Latino. Their skin may be 'light', but they ain't white.

>> ^legacy0100:

>> ^longde:
Doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman was white. Yeah, anyone can be racist, but the dynamics in this case aren't colorblind. Zimmerman's racial status in his own eyes and in the eyes of the local police had no small role in his actions and the (lack of) police response.

Eh..... I dunno dude. Could you define what you would consider as 'White'? Because for me, this dude would be considered Latino. Their skin may be 'light', but they ain't white.


In the US census, hispanic is considered an ethnicity, not a race. You can be a black hispanic, a white hispanic, or an american indian hispanic.

^So you're saying Zimmerman is Hispanic?

Or maybe you were trying to prove a different point? In that case you may want to use a word other than 'white', because the confusion over this word is the exact reason why we're having this discussion in the first place.

If you may allow me, I would like to recommend you the word 'light skinned'.

I think he could be both white and hispanic/latino.

I know darker skinned white people from latin america and southern europe who are darker than Zimmerman.

Now that he's in a bind, his pop wants to claim he's hispanic. It's like some white people I know claiming they're 1/4 indian, when they pass as white 100% of the time.

>> ^legacy0100:

^So you're saying Zimmerman is Hispanic?
Or maybe you were trying to prove a different point? In that case you may want to use a word other than 'white', because the confusion over this word is the exact reason why we're having this discussion in the first place.
If you may allow me, I would like to recommend you the word 'light skinned'.


What I'm saying is that "Hispanic" is not a racial classification, so it doesn't preclude him being white. Suppose I told you he was Irish. You wouldn't then say, "Well, is he Irish or is he white? He can't be both."

The classification "Hispanic", as used by the US government, refers to people with origins in Spanish-speaking countries. There are white people with origins in these countries, so there are white Hispanic people.

None of that matters because being a racist is independent of one's status as a minority or otherwise. Under apartheid, whites were a minority in South Africa, yet nobody doubts that many of them were racists. Regardless of his actual family background, the murderer is clearly not African, which means that his statement of "fucking coons" can only be seen as racist and implies that the victim's race was part of the reason that the shooter (and his apologists) do not consider his crime to be murder.

>> ^Sotto_Voce:

>> ^legacy0100:
^So you're saying Zimmerman is Hispanic?
Or maybe you were trying to prove a different point? In that case you may want to use a word other than 'white', because the confusion over this word is the exact reason why we're having this discussion in the first place.
If you may allow me, I would like to recommend you the word 'light skinned'.

What I'm saying is that "Hispanic" is not a racial classification, so it doesn't preclude him being white. Suppose I told you he was Irish. You wouldn't then say, "Well, is he Irish or is he white? He can't be both."
The classification "Hispanic", as used by the US government, refers to people with origins in Spanish-speaking countries. There are white people with origins in these countries, so there are white Hispanic people.

^I think Zimmerman's identification does have some significance in this story because it can be interpreted differently in two different contexts.

1. If Zimmerman comes from a 'white' (cultural) background, this story may be seen not only as one man's racism but also a symbol of empowered majority's oppression of the minority in US society, which is what everyone initially thought at first and the reason why the word 'white' was repeated over and over in the media.

2. If Zimmerman comes from a 'Hispanic' (cultural) background, this story is about a racist man hating on black people, but NOT as empowered majority suppressing the minority. So the story only includes a racist asshole killing an innocent black kid. Even though Hispanics are light skinned, they do not represent empowered majority in the United States. Many cleaning ladies and construction workers you see are light skinned Ecuadorians and Mexicans, and same goes for Russians and East Europeans who often work in bars, night clubs, and restaurants as waiters/waitresses.

Both contexts does not change the fact that Zimmerman is racist, that much is concrete. But it's what he represents that adds meanings to this ugly situation. Americans recognize that there is an invisible class bias we have in our society, and would love to find a story that they can point to and claim it as proof. That may have been the case for Zimmerman/Martin murder case had Zimmerman been from an empowered majority group. I think the need to have evidence to prove the existence racial class society here in America is the reason why people are deliberately classifying the word 'white' in a very vague definition.

I would love to know what Zimmerman's occupation / dayjob was before the incident. This could give us an insight to whether he was being racist as an empowered majority or as just one racist a-hole.

You get it.

The only disagreement I have is that darker skinned europeans and latinos are still a rung above black people, with some white skin privilege.>> ^legacy0100:

^I think Zimmerman's identification does have some significance in this story because it can be interpreted differently in two different contexts.
1. If Zimmerman is comes from a 'white' (cultural) background, this story may be seen not only as one man's racism but also a symbol of empowered majority's oppression of the minority in US society, which is what everyone initially thought at first and the reason why the word 'white' was repeated over and over in the media.
2. If Zimmerman comes from a 'Hispanic' (cultural) background, this story is about a racist man hating on black people, but NOT as empowered majority suppressing the minority. So the story only includes a racist asshole killing an innocent black kid. Even though Hispanics are light skinned, they do not represent empowered majority in the United States. Many cleaning ladies and construction workers you see are light skinned Ecuadorians and Mexicans, and same goes for Russians and east Europeans who often work in bars, night clubs, and restaurants as waiters/waitresses.
Both contexts does not change the fact that Zimmerman is racist, that much is concrete. But it's what he represents that adds meanings to this ugly situation. Americans recognize that there is an invisible class society we have in our society, and would love to find a story that they can point to and claim it as proof. That may have been the case for Zimmerman/Martin murder case had Zimmerman been from an empowered majority group. I think the need to have evidence to prove the existence racial class society here in America is the reason why people are deliberately classifying the word 'white' in a very vague definition.
I would love to know what Zimmerman's occupation / dayjob was before the incident. This could give us an insight to whether he was being racist out of empowered majority or as just one racist a-hole.

I dunno, I have to agree with Soto, it sounds like he could be saying "fucking punks". Regardless, Zimmerman is a murdering asshole and should be locked up for a long time or dragged into the street and beaten with rubber hoses. I'm just 50/50 on if he says "punks" or "coons".

He's running through suburban backyards at night... maybe he scared off some raccoons...
Sorry. Inconceivable tragedy. Good post, legacy.

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"coon"? Who uses that word anymore?

at what time does he say "coons"?

^It says at the sift title.