Stephen Fry and Jonathan Ross Discuss Language Evolution

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Phreezdrydsays...

So "mind meld" doesn't mean what we think it means?

Why does our language have to evolve through mistakes and typos? Wonky technology plus laziness equals new language? Seems like nothing more than ignorance and a bad attitude towards getting something correct.

rychansays...

How ridiculously well spoken Stephen Fry is in the last minute of this. How can you come up with that kind of monologue off the cuff? That seems impossible.

aaronfrsays...

That brings to mind the most succinct definition of evolution I know of:

A series of successful mistakes.

Why should language follow anything other than that simple, elegant pattern?

Phreezdrydsaid:

So "mind meld" doesn't mean what we think it means?

Why does our language have to evolve through mistakes and typos? Wonky technology plus laziness equals new language? Seems like nothing more than ignorance and a bad attitude towards getting something correct.

robbersdog49says...

His understanding of language is impressive, his use of it is sublime. I could listen to him talk all day.

rychansaid:

How ridiculously well spoken Stephen Fry is in the last minute of this. How can you come up with that kind of monologue off the cuff? That seems impossible.

Quboidsays...

Maybe he's booker because he has ...

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Dewitt?

(That's not even true, Fry's wittier, but that's not going to let me get in the way of an irrelevant Bioshock Infinite pun.)

ChaosEnginesaid:

Not sure on what planet Jonathan Ross is booker than Stephen Fry

ChaosEnginesays...

One sec...

/goes to find a hat

well played, sir! I take my hat off to you.

Quboidsaid:

Maybe he's booker because he has ...

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( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Dewitt?

(That's not even true, Fry's wittier, but that's not going to let me get in the way of an irrelevant Bioshock Infinite pun.)

poolcleanersays...

Are you asking why evolution doesn't behave in a more efficient manner? For what purpose would you filter out the natural qualities of existence that give it diversity?

The lazy mistakes of our universe are erosion, planet formation, star formation, etc. etc. It's all mistakes. The universe doesn't care if one quality is more beneficial than another, otherwise all of existence would be perfect and in harmony -- One thing changed and causation caused another thing to happen. Because those things happened, it lead to another thing, which formed another thing in a pattern that eventually gave shape to something greater than all the random, lazy changes before it.

That's language, that's sports, that's art, that's technology, and that's mankind.

The universe is not "correct" as defined by human concepts of efficiency or return on investment. Things take time to evolve because the process of evolution is gradual and made up of changes with no particular value. We merely add value to things based upon our needs and desires. Correctness forms over time, as we either process things into "culture" or deviate from that culture for a more efficient pathway.

Phreezdrydsaid:

So "mind meld" doesn't mean what we think it means?

Why does our language have to evolve through mistakes and typos? Wonky technology plus laziness equals new language? Seems like nothing more than ignorance and a bad attitude towards getting something correct.

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