Cannabis must be decoupled from the dangerous drugs, at the very least so that scientists can actually research it's uses.

I've done this. There's just one problem: after a couple weeks, the inside of your mouth feels like it's bleeding. Then the outer-layers of skin (inside your mouth) die and peel off. Afterwards, my sense of taste was diminished (but it's back now, since I quit). It's not very pleasant and I don't recommend it.

Just say "No, thank you." (why not be polite about it?)

>> ^shuac:

I've done this. It feels just like the real thing but there's just one problem: after a couple weeks, the inside of your mouth feels like it's bleeding. Then the outer-layers of skin (inside your mouth) die and peel off. Afterwards, my sense of taste was diminished (but it's back now, since I quit). It's not very pleasant and I don't recommend it.
Just say "No, thank you." (why not be polite about it?)


I've never tried it and have no inclination to. Cannabis-It's The Real Thing!

The spice must flow...

I may be thinking too hard on this..

but.. Spice?

As in.. The major "Drug" of Star Wars?

Here's the scoop:

JWH-018 makes you feel more stoned than the first time you got stoned. If you don't know what that means, well... no wonder people were freaking out.

JWH-122 which i use now daily, is a LOT more mellow. I can smoke it once and be stoned all day but relaxed, more CBD like. 75$ for 5 grams that lasts months. I'm talking pure powder that i mix into my own smokable. I don't smoke blends of rose hips and bay bean sprayed with acetone dissolved JWH, like vendors sell.

These are synthetic cannabinoids, they are full agonists and bind very tightly to the CB receptors. THC and CBD are partial agonists and mitigate each others effects. These chemicals are no joke and have been available for a long time, proving that if cannabis was legal that NOTHING bad would happen. These drugs are far more potent and the world has had access to them for years by mail-order, and the results are in.

You WILL freak out if you are not a cannabis user or someone with experience smoking. I've smoked for over a decade before trying these compounds and it was like i was 16 all over again. The strange thing is the intense effects last only up to an hour, then you're ok again. The effects seem additive, whereas you can smoke cannabis non-stop, you actually reach a point of intoxication that can be nauseating (happened two times on JWH-018, I was sweating, throwing up, couldn't come down... but then I did... and it happened from using too much 018 too quick).

Also, my anxiety and depression seemed very well managed on a combination of JWH-122 and Sertraline HCl (gen Zoloft). I no longer get angry and sad, and want to just throw it all away because the world is big and scary.


Cannabis prohibition is very strange. I like being told as an American that i can't be tortured, held without cause, executed in street... but the can'ts should all be bad things. I can't smoke cannabis BECAUSE I'm American. Even the Israeli govt is legalizing medical marijuana for its citizens, yet my country who gives them money to exist, says I cannot. I can't because I'm American. Wierd. So I'll pay less to get more stoned.

>> ^Shepppard:

I may be thinking too hard on this..
but.. Spice?
As in.. The major "Drug" of Star Wars?


>> ^ponceleon:

The spice must flow...


I did think about a possible confusion in the tags with the spice ponceleon is talking about.
([Edit] @ponceleon is that from Dune? It's been many years since I read it.)

I completely forgot about the sandworm shit that Sheppard is talking about

House Harkonnen called...

One of the dangers inherent in these products is that you don't know what is in them. It's a manufactured chemical, so what kinds of byproducts and unreacted ingredients are present? It isn't regulated and the originating labs are generally unknown.

The active chemicals may be safe; just realize there may be other stuff in there with it.

*controversy

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>> ^Psychologic:

One of the dangers inherent in these products is that you don't know what is in them. It's a manufactured chemical, so what kinds of byproducts and unreacted ingredients are present? It isn't regulated and the originating labs are generally unknown.
The active chemicals may be safe; just realize there may be other stuff in there with it.


Exactly my thoughts on this Psycologic.

I'll take herb over laboratory anytime.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^Psychologic:
One of the dangers inherent in these products is that you don't know what is in them. It's a manufactured chemical, so what kinds of byproducts and unreacted ingredients are present? It isn't regulated and the originating labs are generally unknown.
The active chemicals may be safe; just realize there may be other stuff in there with it.

Exactly my thoughts on this Psycologic.
I'll take herb over laboratory anytime.


Even in that case there is the possibility that pesticides were sprayed on it, but that can be mitigated by knowing the grower or growing your own (and hopefully not getting arrested).

>> ^Psychologic:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^Psychologic:
One of the dangers inherent in these products is that you don't know what is in them. It's a manufactured chemical, so what kinds of byproducts and unreacted ingredients are present? It isn't regulated and the originating labs are generally unknown.
The active chemicals may be safe; just realize there may be other stuff in there with it.

Exactly my thoughts on this Psycologic.
I'll take herb over laboratory anytime.

Even in that case there is the possibility that pesticides were sprayed on it, but that can be mitigated by knowing the grower or growing your own (and hopefully not getting arrested).


Yepers,

I was around for Paraquat Pot. That shit's some nasty, deadly shit.

We got a batch that I'm sure had this crap on it (Thanks, US Government).
I threw mine away after just one hit, and five minutes of coughing.

We just finished this same pant-pissing hysteria in my country, before the politicians saved us all by 'banning' synthetic cannabanoids via laws requiring them to be proved safe before going on sale.

I'm sure that's going to work out well.

I'd prefer to have a personally selected/grown strain of cannabis processed into edible items, or vaporized, but the reason i tried the JWH was because I could not get such a reliable source of cannabis.

The reason I am glad I found JWH, is because it supplements the antidepressant im on. The RX medication "works", but it dulls me. This stuff (and cannabis too) really helps with the side effects, including sexual dysfunction, thankfully.. thats the one side effect that makes you REALLY need an antidepressant lol.. hmmm.

It was sketchy for sure, though, and I did have to reach a certain point of frustration to take the dive into experimenting with ingesting powder from the internet. I crossed through that door late one evening after trying to figure out how to best get it to "work", and work it did. I don't endorse such an activity either, but my freedom to make my own decision worked out ok for me this time. It could have ended very badly and that is a commentary on my frustration level i suppose.

Frank Herbert just turned and died in his grave.
>> ^Shepppard:

I may be thinking too hard on this..
but.. Spice?
As in.. The major "Drug" of Star Wars?

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp_list.shtml#JWH-018

>> ^vaire2ube:

I'd prefer to have a personally selected/grown strain of cannabis processed into edible items, or vaporized, but the reason i tried the JWH was because I could not get such a reliable source of cannabis.
The reason I am glad I found JWH, is because it supplements the antidepressant im on. The RX medication "works", but it dulls me. This stuff (and cannabis too) really helps with the side effects, including sexual dysfunction, thankfully.. thats the one side effect that makes you REALLY need an antidepressant lol.. hmmm.
It was sketchy for sure, though, and I did have to reach a certain point of frustration to take the dive into experimenting with ingesting powder from the internet. I crossed through that door late one evening after trying to figure out how to best get it to "work", and work it did. I don't endorse such an activity either, but my freedom to make my own decision worked out ok for me this time. It could have ended very badly and that is a commentary on my frustration level i suppose.


I'm just glad you found something that works for you.

I've been through the anti-depressant causing depressing side effects door also.

>> ^gwiz665:

Frank Herbert just turned and died in his grave.
>> ^Shepppard:
I may be thinking too hard on this..
but.. Spice?
As in.. The major "Drug" of Star Wars?



What else are you going to dump into space at the first sign of an imperial starcruiser while doing the kessel run?

My cousin smoked spice when he was in the marines because it doesn't show up on drug tests. (Well, it didn't when he was in.) It's alright. I've only tried it a half dozen times or so. I prefer the green. Well... technically I don't anymore because I quit.. but I still jerk off to pictures of marijuana. That was my only concession.

Is no body going to comment on how hilarious it was when homeboy just suddenly busts out the drugs at the end of that clip, saying, "this shit is legal, yo"!?

Oh, I only wanted the last sentence of the above to be sarcasm...

Am I the only one here who's not a fucking stoner?

Shit, whatever. Time for my evening bottle of red wine and a box of laxatives.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/28755358/detail.html

Some STELLAR reporting on JWH consumption (allegedly)..

"
Narcotics agents said the substance [Spice] has been linked to deaths across the country and it's just beginning to be sold in large amounts in Western Pennsylvania.
The Rices said their son smoked the substance out of a Pez dispenser.
"You can smell the chemical in it but it's a potpourri that these kids are smoking. It's crazy. I'm sure the Spice had a lot to do with it, but he also inhaled a lot of plastic," Ray Rice said.

"

Devil, details;;

I realized I forgot to point out I may be doing real damage to parts of my brain by using these chemicals designed to be permanent receptor ligands, which in turn could be hazardous to my health.

but the safe version is illegal.

the boy in that story above died from his injuries despite a lung transplant . rip
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11302/1186001-59.stm


cannabis would have done the same thing, smoked out of a pez.

here is what the DEA is planning, and what they really think about this stuff at the current time:

hint: they're not going to stop until no one can get "high" (although that term remains relatively undefined..)

http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/mtgs/drug_chemical/2011/boos.pdf

The drug war got us into this mess, and now its going to get really ugly