Police, Lies, Videoptape - Unlawful Arrest of Protester

This is just fucked up and weird.

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Baristansays...

Several of these "police" need to be thrown in jail, along with any judge or prosecutor that fails to put them there. Sadly nothing will be done, and the criminals will continue to be paid for their "service".

alien_conceptsays...

Simply because they are doing as they are told to do. Their primary objective now is not to protect the people. Sick shit and a very slippery slope.

Baristansaid:

Several of these "police" need to be thrown in jail, along with any judge or prosecutor that fails to put them there. Sadly nothing will be done, and the criminals will continue to be paid for their "service".

chingalerasays...

These coppers are engaging in criminal activity. They are practicing an unrighteous livelihood. England is a police state. What they are doing here on camera is what any criminal organization's enforcers have done for centuries. One does not need to know the particular circumstances surrounding this incident, the videotape tells the entire story.

gorillamansays...

The lack of solidarity among the protestors always troubles me in these incidents. You know there are niggers in the world. Bring weapons. When they try to steal one of your people kill your way through the darkness and take them back.

What this video should have depicted is Barton Moss painted black with fascist blood.

chingalerasays...

"There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always — do not forget this, Winston — always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."

-O'Brien to Winston, Room 101

chingalerasays...

...and still he had to be humiliated, dragged into the system after standing too close to their meat-grinder.... fines, fees, and missed work and then, that special list, a record of his past 'offenses' reserved for these evil cunt's justification for continued harassment and suspicion and inhumane treatment at some future date, when he and everyone on that list is rounded-up first, to be used as a shining example of what NOT to do, if you don't want to end-up like him.

Uniforms should be worn by party-goers, and politicians and police should wear clown costumes and mime make-up. Much easier that way to discern the thugs from humans.

dooglesaid:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/salford-anti-fracking-protester-sue-greater-6676499

"Dr Steven Peers, who was filming the demonstration at Barton Moss in Salford, was arrested for refusing a breath test after the policeman accused him of driving to the site drunk.

He was later charged but the case fell apart at court when prosecutors offered no evidence."

RunRabbitRunsays...

Why didn't he just give a breath test? The cunning police plan would have fallen apart then, the policeman must have predicted he'd be an arsehole. Why didn't he demand a breath test at the station, to show he was being fitted up? Because he was pissed that's why.

dannym3141says...

The fear is that if you consent to a breath test then that could be construed as acknowledgement of ...having driven, or whatever.

It's a scary situation to be in. He's trying to be as simple and clear as he can be in all of his demeanour - ie. what he says, the way he acts, everything about him says "I'm not involved in your scam." He's behaved admirably imo.

RunRabbitRunsaid:

Why didn't he just give a breath test? The cunning police plan would have fallen apart then, the policeman must have predicted he'd be an arsehole. Why didn't he demand a breath test at the station, to show he was being fitted up? Because he was pissed that's why.

robbersdog49says...

Having seen that the officers he was dealing with weren't bothered by doing illegal things taking a test, which could be doctored by them, would be a stupid thing to do.

Besides that, he wasn't driving, and simply being over the drink drive limit walking down the street isn't illegal. So even if he was drunk he was doing nothing wrong.

There's no way to bend this where the police are acting correctly. You can't get yourself out of a drink driving ban by simply refusing all the tests.

RunRabbitRunsaid:

Why didn't he just give a breath test? The cunning police plan would have fallen apart then, the policeman must have predicted he'd be an arsehole. Why didn't he demand a breath test at the station, to show he was being fitted up? Because he was pissed that's why.

RunRabbitRunsays...

Don't be silly no court in the UK would accept that.

dannym3141said:

The fear is that if you consent to a breath test then that could be construed as acknowledgement of ...having driven, or whatever.

It's a scary situation to be in. He's trying to be as simple and clear as he can be in all of his demeanour - ie. what he says, the way he acts, everything about him says "I'm not involved in your scam." He's behaved admirably imo.

RunRabbitRunsays...

And this is retarded. If i'm drunk and run over your family, and get out of the car before the police get there it doesn't mean I can go nerr nerr nerr i'm a pedestrian i'm not driving, nerrr.

You can get yourself out of a ban and many people do by getting out of the roadside test, and hoping the alcohol levels drop before the station test.

It is an offense to refuse to give a sample, the guy in the video could have been charged with it as the suspicion of driving is enough, however it's a charge the police rarely use.

robbersdog49said:

Having seen that the officers he was dealing with weren't bothered by doing illegal things taking a test, which could be doctored by them, would be a stupid thing to do.

Besides that, he wasn't driving, and simply being over the drink drive limit walking down the street isn't illegal. So even if he was drunk he was doing nothing wrong.

There's no way to bend this where the police are acting correctly. You can't get yourself out of a drink driving ban by simply refusing all the tests.

messengersays...

It occurs to me that:

* his breath may indeed reek of alcohol
* the first officer seems to know him and his car (he calls him Stephen, identifies his car as a blue Mercedes and "Stephen" denies neither)
* the officer may have seen his car nearby
* that may constitute reasonable grounds for suspicion of drunk driving

So... maybe this is just police doing their job, including trying to trick the guy into admitting he'd been drinking -- not the same as framing if it's never produced as evidence.

robbersdog49says...

The police can only require he take a test if there is reasonable suspicion. The policeman was making this up, and so had no right to ask him to take the test.

It's the same as if they turn up at your house without a warrant. They can ask to come in but you have no reason to let them. With the warrant you have no right to stop them. The reasonable suspicion works the same way, without it they have no right to require you to take the test.

This is why it all fell apart for them, they had no reasonable suspicion so they couldn't require him to take the test.

If they came across the owner of a car which had crashed obviously smelling of booze but just walking down the road, as he's the owner of the car and near it when it crashed they'd have a reasonable suspicion that he was driving it drunk. They'd have good reason to require a breath test.

This reasonable suspicion requirement is to stop the police doing precisely what you see in this video. It's a requirement put in place to protect the rights of innocent people, and it seems ultimately in this case it worked.

The police do not have the right to do whatever they want, and they sure as hell shouldn't act like they do.

Again, refusing the roadside test and asking for a more accurate blood test can get you out of a ban or a fine, but the roadside tests aren't accurate enough to be relied upon and so being able to ask for a more accurate test stops innocent people being convicted wrongly.

A lot of people seem to have an issue with stuff like this but in my opinion the protection of the innocent is more important than catching the guilty.

RunRabbitRunsaid:

And this is retarded. If i'm drunk and run over your family, and get out of the car before the police get there it doesn't mean I can go nerr nerr nerr i'm a pedestrian i'm not driving, nerrr.

You can get yourself out of a ban and many people do by getting out of the roadside test, and hoping the alcohol levels drop before the station test.

It is an offense to refuse to give a sample, the guy in the video could have been charged with it as the suspicion of driving is enough, however it's a charge the police rarely use.

RunRabbitRunsays...

The guy drove to the site. He had not been drinking whilst on the site. The officer said he smelled of Alcohol there are the grounds for reasonable suspicion. I don't believe they had another round of reasonable suspicion at the station, they'd just follow procedure. It's more likely that they were simply to busy, you could see they were short staffed at the protest.

You are assuming the police officer made it up, however it would be a seriously stupid plan as if the guy had taken the test and it had come back negative, well the plan doesn't really go anywhere does it?

No the police don't have the right to do what, but they do have the power to right to detain given reasonable suspicion that is what happened here.

You wrong on the right to refuse the "road side" test, unless you have a genuine reason not to do the test like a medical condition (being an arsehole doesn't count) you are obligated to take the test given reasonable suspicion.

Unless there are some unusual circumstances the police will arrest take you back to the station and then use the machine back at the station (unlikely to be a blood test but a lot more sophisticated breath testing machine) to get an accurate reading, if it measures over the limit you will then be prosecuted, if not you won't.

Now your all for innocent till proven guilty, but you soon assumed the police guy was guilty of, well power abuse? Which you can't do as the camera doesn't have smellovision.

I suspect it more to do with you not liking police/authority, and the police man was acting arsy.

It's not surprising when they have to put up with the crap and abuse they have to, that sometimes they behave this way especially at a protest, that's just being human. Apparently he's a Salford Officer as well I don't envy him one bit policing that shole.

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